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From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: Andrew@linux-nfs.org, nfsv4@linux-nfs.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, nfs@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Pierre Ossman <drzeus-list@drzeus.cx>,
	Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [NFS] What's slated for inclusion in 2.6.24-rc1 from the NFS client git tree...
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:12:22 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071005141222.5afbb6b9.jlayton@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <30494.1191605410@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>

On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:30:10 -0400
Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:00:50 EDT, Trond Myklebust said:
> 
> > How about a boot/module parameter to turn it on or off?
> > 
> > I don't see any point in having a sysctl for something like this: either
> > you have legacy applications or you don't. It is not something that you
> > switch off as you go off to lunch.
> 
> How does Joe Sysadmin tell if he has an affected legacy app or not?
> 
> (The obvious "try it and see what breaks" is a non-starter for many places,
> because you too easily end up in a loop of "enable it, find 4-5 show stoppers,
> turn it off, fix them, lather rinse repease".  Been there, done that, got
> the tshirt - a project I got dragged into involves a large storage array that
> appears to insist on exporting 64-bit stuff, and a large farm of clients that
> are very 64-bit unclean....)
> 

Note that "try it and see what breaks" isn't reliable either. If glibc
gets back a 64 bit inode number that just happens to fit in the 32-bit
field, then everything will work. You don't actually get an EOVERFLOW
until st_ino overflows the field, and that may not happen often enough
for testing this way to detect it...


-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
	Peter Staubach <staubach@redhat.com>,
	nfsv4@linux-nfs.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	nfs@lists.sourceforge.net, Pierre Ossman <drzeus-list@drzeus.cx>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [NFS] What's slated for inclusion in 2.6.24-rc1 from the NFS client git tree...
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:12:22 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071005141222.5afbb6b9.jlayton@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <30494.1191605410@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>

On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:30:10 -0400
Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:00:50 EDT, Trond Myklebust said:
> 
> > How about a boot/module parameter to turn it on or off?
> > 
> > I don't see any point in having a sysctl for something like this: either
> > you have legacy applications or you don't. It is not something that you
> > switch off as you go off to lunch.
> 
> How does Joe Sysadmin tell if he has an affected legacy app or not?
> 
> (The obvious "try it and see what breaks" is a non-starter for many places,
> because you too easily end up in a loop of "enable it, find 4-5 show stoppers,
> turn it off, fix them, lather rinse repease".  Been there, done that, got
> the tshirt - a project I got dragged into involves a large storage array that
> appears to insist on exporting 64-bit stuff, and a large farm of clients that
> are very 64-bit unclean....)
> 

Note that "try it and see what breaks" isn't reliable either. If glibc
gets back a 64 bit inode number that just happens to fit in the 32-bit
field, then everything will work. You don't actually get an EOVERFLOW
until st_ino overflows the field, and that may not happen often enough
for testing this way to detect it...


-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-10-05 18:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-03 23:41 What's slated for inclusion in 2.6.24-rc1 from the NFS client git tree Trond Myklebust
2007-10-03 23:41 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-10-03 23:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-04  6:52 ` Pierre Ossman
2007-10-04  6:52   ` Pierre Ossman
2007-10-04 14:00   ` [NFS] " Trond Myklebust
2007-10-04 14:00     ` Trond Myklebust
2007-10-04 16:43     ` Pierre Ossman
2007-10-04 18:42       ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-04 18:42         ` [NFS] " Andrew Morton
2007-10-04 19:16         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-10-04 19:16           ` Trond Myklebust
2007-10-04 19:41           ` Peter Staubach
2007-10-04 19:41             ` [NFS] " Peter Staubach
2007-10-05  6:25             ` Pierre Ossman
2007-10-05  6:25               ` [NFS] " Pierre Ossman
2007-10-05 12:24               ` Jeff Layton
2007-10-05 17:36               ` [NFS] " Trond Myklebust
2007-10-05 17:54                 ` Pierre Ossman
2007-10-05 17:54                   ` [NFS] " Pierre Ossman
2007-10-04 19:59           ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-04 19:59             ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-05  0:58             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-10-05  0:58               ` Trond Myklebust
2007-10-05 17:30     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-10-05 17:30       ` [NFS] " Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-10-05 17:52       ` Trond Myklebust
2007-10-05 17:52         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-10-05 18:00       ` Jeff Layton
2007-10-05 18:00         ` [NFS] " Jeff Layton
2007-10-08  8:36         ` Greg Banks
2007-10-05 18:12       ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2007-10-05 18:12         ` Jeff Layton
2007-10-07 22:56         ` David Chinner
2007-10-04 20:16 ` Chuck Lever
2007-10-05 17:31   ` Trond Myklebust

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