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From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: Neil Horman <nhorman@redhat.com>
Cc: Ben Woodard <woodard@redhat.com>,
	Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	hbabu@us.ibm.com, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kexec: force x86_64 arches to boot kdump kernels on boot cpu
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:39:44 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071207143944.GF2863@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071207001023.GA7312@hmsendeavour.rdu.redhat.com>

On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:10:23PM -0500, Neil Horman wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 05:11:43PM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 04:39:51PM -0500, Neil Horman wrote:
> > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 09:51:31AM -0500, Neil Horman wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 09:42:50AM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > 
> > > > Thats what I'm doing at the moment.  I'm working on a RHEL5 patch at the moment
> > > > (since thats whats on the production system thats failing), and will forward
> > > > port it once its working
> > > > 
> > > > And not to split hairs, but techically thats not our _only_ choice.  We could
> > > > force kdump boots on cpu0 as well ;)
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Neil
> > > > 
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Vivek
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Sorry to have been quiet on this issue for a few days. Interesting news to
> > > report, though.  So I was working on a patch to do early apic enabling on
> > > x86_64, and had something working for the old 2.6.18 kernel that we were
> > > origionally testing on.  Unfortunately while it worked on 2.6.18 it failed
> > > miserably on 2.6.24-rc3-mm2, causing check_timer to consistently report that the
> > > timer interrupt wasn't getting received (even though we could successfully run
> > > calibrate_delay).  Vivek and I were digging into this, when I ran accross the
> > > description of the hypertransport configuration register in the opteron
> > > specification.  It contains a bit that, suprise, configures the ht bus to either
> > > unicast interrupts delivered accross the ht bus to a single cpu, or to broadcast
> > > it to all cpus.  Since it seemed more likely that the 8259 in the nvidia
> > > southbridge was transporting legacy mode interrupts over the ht bus than
> > > directly to cpu0 via an actual wire, I wrote the attached patch to add a quirk
> > > for nvidia chipsets, which scanned for hypertransport controllers, and ensured
> > > that that broadcast bit was set.  Test results indicate that this solves the
> > > problem, and kdump kernels boot just fine on the affected system.
> > > 
> > 
> > Hi Neil,
> > 
> > Should we disable this broadcasting feature once we are through? Otherwise
> > in normal systems it might mean extra traffic on hypertransport. There
> > is no need for every interrupt to be broadcasted in normal systems?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Vivek
> 
> No, I don't think thats necessecary.  Once the apics are enabled, interrupts
> shouldn't travel accross the hypertransport bus anyway, opting instead to use
> the dedicated apic bus (at least thats my understanding).

I think all interrupt message travel on hypertransport. Even after APICS
have been enabled.

Look at the following document.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/24674.pdf

Have a look at figure 1, figure 2 and section 3.4.2.2 and 3.4.2.3

That's a different thing that once IOAPIC has formed the vectored message,
Hypertransport might not touch the destination field.
 
Having said that, I am wondering what will happen if a system continues
to operate the timer through IOAPIC in ExtInt mode. Will hypertransport
keep on broadcasting that interrupt to every cpu? And every cpu will 
process that interrupt.

Hence, I feel it is safe to restore the broadcast bit back to BIOS value once
we are through calibrate_delay().

Thanks
Vivek

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From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: Neil Horman <nhorman@redhat.com>
Cc: Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
	Ben Woodard <woodard@redhat.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	hbabu@us.ibm.com, "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kexec: force x86_64 arches to boot kdump kernels on boot cpu
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:39:44 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071207143944.GF2863@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071207001023.GA7312@hmsendeavour.rdu.redhat.com>

On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:10:23PM -0500, Neil Horman wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 05:11:43PM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 04:39:51PM -0500, Neil Horman wrote:
> > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 09:51:31AM -0500, Neil Horman wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 09:42:50AM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > 
> > > > Thats what I'm doing at the moment.  I'm working on a RHEL5 patch at the moment
> > > > (since thats whats on the production system thats failing), and will forward
> > > > port it once its working
> > > > 
> > > > And not to split hairs, but techically thats not our _only_ choice.  We could
> > > > force kdump boots on cpu0 as well ;)
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Neil
> > > > 
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Vivek
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Sorry to have been quiet on this issue for a few days. Interesting news to
> > > report, though.  So I was working on a patch to do early apic enabling on
> > > x86_64, and had something working for the old 2.6.18 kernel that we were
> > > origionally testing on.  Unfortunately while it worked on 2.6.18 it failed
> > > miserably on 2.6.24-rc3-mm2, causing check_timer to consistently report that the
> > > timer interrupt wasn't getting received (even though we could successfully run
> > > calibrate_delay).  Vivek and I were digging into this, when I ran accross the
> > > description of the hypertransport configuration register in the opteron
> > > specification.  It contains a bit that, suprise, configures the ht bus to either
> > > unicast interrupts delivered accross the ht bus to a single cpu, or to broadcast
> > > it to all cpus.  Since it seemed more likely that the 8259 in the nvidia
> > > southbridge was transporting legacy mode interrupts over the ht bus than
> > > directly to cpu0 via an actual wire, I wrote the attached patch to add a quirk
> > > for nvidia chipsets, which scanned for hypertransport controllers, and ensured
> > > that that broadcast bit was set.  Test results indicate that this solves the
> > > problem, and kdump kernels boot just fine on the affected system.
> > > 
> > 
> > Hi Neil,
> > 
> > Should we disable this broadcasting feature once we are through? Otherwise
> > in normal systems it might mean extra traffic on hypertransport. There
> > is no need for every interrupt to be broadcasted in normal systems?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Vivek
> 
> No, I don't think thats necessecary.  Once the apics are enabled, interrupts
> shouldn't travel accross the hypertransport bus anyway, opting instead to use
> the dedicated apic bus (at least thats my understanding).

I think all interrupt message travel on hypertransport. Even after APICS
have been enabled.

Look at the following document.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/24674.pdf

Have a look at figure 1, figure 2 and section 3.4.2.2 and 3.4.2.3

That's a different thing that once IOAPIC has formed the vectored message,
Hypertransport might not touch the destination field.
 
Having said that, I am wondering what will happen if a system continues
to operate the timer through IOAPIC in ExtInt mode. Will hypertransport
keep on broadcasting that interrupt to every cpu? And every cpu will 
process that interrupt.

Hence, I feel it is safe to restore the broadcast bit back to BIOS value once
we are through calibrate_delay().

Thanks
Vivek

  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-07 14:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 202+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-27  1:47 [PATCH] kexec: force x86_64 arches to boot kdump kernels on boot cpu Neil Horman
2007-11-27  1:47 ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27  4:12 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27  4:12   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27 13:13   ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 13:13     ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 13:28     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27 13:28       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27 13:45       ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 13:45         ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 14:28         ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 14:28           ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 14:43           ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 14:43             ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 14:48             ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 14:48               ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 15:24               ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 15:24                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 15:30               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27 15:30                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27 16:45                 ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 16:45                   ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 20:50                 ` Ben Woodard
2007-11-27 20:50                   ` Ben Woodard
2007-11-27 21:05                   ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 21:05                     ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 22:38                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27 22:38                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27 23:15                       ` Ben Woodard
2007-11-27 23:15                         ` Ben Woodard
2007-11-28  0:15                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-28  0:15                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27 23:40                       ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 23:40                         ` Neil Horman
2007-11-28  0:43                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-28  0:43                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-28 15:54                     ` Neil Horman
2007-11-28 15:54                       ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 14:56         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27 14:56           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27 15:34           ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 15:34             ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 18:41           ` Ben Woodard
2007-11-27 18:41             ` Ben Woodard
2007-11-27 19:42             ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 19:42               ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 20:00               ` Vivek Goyal
2007-11-27 20:00                 ` Vivek Goyal
2007-11-27 20:52                 ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 20:52                   ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 22:24                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 22:24                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 23:24                   ` Ben Woodard
2007-11-27 23:24                     ` Ben Woodard
2007-11-27 23:56                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 23:56                       ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-28 15:36                     ` Vivek Goyal
2007-11-28 15:36                       ` Vivek Goyal
2007-11-28 16:02                       ` Neil Horman
2007-11-28 16:02                         ` Neil Horman
2007-11-28 17:36                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-28 17:36                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-28 18:16                           ` Neil Horman
2007-11-28 18:16                             ` Neil Horman
2007-11-28 19:05                         ` Vivek Goyal
2007-11-28 19:05                           ` Vivek Goyal
2007-11-28 19:42                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-28 19:42                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-28 21:09                             ` Neil Horman
2007-11-28 21:09                               ` Neil Horman
2007-11-28 23:27                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-28 23:27                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-30  2:16                             ` Ben Woodard
2007-11-30  2:16                               ` Ben Woodard
2007-11-30  2:54                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-30  2:54                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-30  8:59                                 ` Yinghai Lu
2007-11-30  8:59                                   ` Yinghai Lu
2007-11-30 14:35                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2007-11-30 14:35                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2007-11-30 14:32                                 ` Neil Horman
2007-11-30 14:32                                   ` Neil Horman
2007-11-30  2:12                           ` Ben Woodard
2007-11-30  2:12                             ` Ben Woodard
2007-11-30 14:42                             ` Vivek Goyal
2007-11-30 14:42                               ` Vivek Goyal
2007-11-30 14:51                               ` Neil Horman
2007-11-30 14:51                                 ` Neil Horman
2007-12-06 21:39                                 ` Neil Horman
2007-12-06 21:39                                   ` Neil Horman
2007-12-06 22:11                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2007-12-06 22:11                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2007-12-07  0:10                                     ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07  0:10                                       ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07 14:39                                       ` Vivek Goyal [this message]
2007-12-07 14:39                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2007-12-07 14:53                                         ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07 14:53                                           ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07 15:16                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2007-12-07 15:16                                             ` Vivek Goyal
2007-12-07 15:53                                             ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07 15:53                                               ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07 18:46                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-07 18:46                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-07  0:33                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-07  0:33                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-07  2:04                                       ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07  2:04                                         ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07  8:50                                       ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-07  8:50                                         ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-07  9:22                                         ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-07  9:22                                           ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-07 14:21                                           ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07 14:21                                             ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07 17:58                                             ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07 17:58                                               ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07 19:19                                               ` yhlu
2007-12-07 19:19                                                 ` yhlu
2007-12-07 20:13                                                 ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07 20:13                                                   ` Neil Horman
2007-12-10 15:39                                               ` Neil Horman
2007-12-10 15:39                                                 ` Neil Horman
2007-12-10 16:20                                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2007-12-10 16:20                                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2007-12-11  1:17                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-11  1:17                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-11  1:08                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-11  1:08                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-11  3:43                                                 ` Neil Horman
2007-12-11  3:43                                                   ` Neil Horman
2007-12-11  4:48                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-11  4:48                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-11  6:31                                                     ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-11  6:31                                                       ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-11 14:39                                                     ` Neil Horman
2007-12-11 14:39                                                       ` Neil Horman
2007-12-11 15:29                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-11 15:29                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-11 18:00                                                         ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-11 18:00                                                           ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-11 18:29                                                           ` Neil Horman
2007-12-11 18:29                                                             ` Neil Horman
2007-12-11 18:45                                                             ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-11 18:45                                                               ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-11 18:22                                                         ` Neil Horman
2007-12-11 18:22                                                           ` Neil Horman
2007-12-11 18:46                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-11 18:46                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-11 19:24                                                             ` Neil Horman
2007-12-11 19:24                                                               ` Neil Horman
2007-12-11 19:51                                                               ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-11 19:51                                                                 ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-11 20:59                                                                 ` Neil Horman
2007-12-11 20:59                                                                   ` Neil Horman
2007-12-12  0:16                                                                   ` Ben Woodard
2007-12-12  0:16                                                                     ` Ben Woodard
2007-12-12  0:52                                                                     ` Neil Horman
2007-12-12  0:52                                                                       ` Neil Horman
2007-12-12  1:07                                                                       ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-12  1:07                                                                         ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-12  8:43                                                                   ` [PATCH] k8: Enable legacy irqs with extended cpu ids Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-12  8:43                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-12 14:21                                                                   ` [PATCH] kexec: force x86_64 arches to boot kdump kernels on boot cpu Andi Kleen
2007-12-12 14:21                                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-12 15:55                                                                     ` Neil Horman
2007-12-12 15:55                                                                       ` Neil Horman
2007-12-12 16:07                                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-12 16:07                                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-12 19:43                                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-12 19:43                                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-12 20:22                                                                           ` Neil Horman
2007-12-12 20:22                                                                             ` Neil Horman
2007-12-12 21:32                                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-12 21:32                                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-13 14:39                                                                               ` Neil Horman
2007-12-13 14:39                                                                                 ` Neil Horman
2007-12-13 15:16                                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-13 15:16                                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-13 15:32                                                                                   ` Neil Horman
2007-12-13 15:32                                                                                     ` Neil Horman
2007-12-17 11:38                                                                                     ` Neil Horman
2007-12-17 11:38                                                                                       ` Neil Horman
2007-12-18  0:13                                                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-18  0:13                                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-17 15:16                                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 15:16                                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 15:47                                                                                   ` Neil Horman
2007-12-17 15:47                                                                                     ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07 18:36                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-07 18:36                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-07 18:48                                               ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07 18:48                                                 ` Neil Horman
2007-12-10 19:39                                                 ` Ben Woodard
2007-12-10 20:22                                                   ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 13:53       ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 13:53         ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 10:55 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 10:55   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 11:19   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27 11:19     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27 13:28   ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 13:28     ` Neil Horman

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