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From: Theodore Tso <tytso@MIT.EDU>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no, greg@kroah.com, sfr@canb.auug.org.au,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-next@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: Announce: Linux-next (Or Andrew's dream :-))
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:44:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080212224433.GA9063@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080211230617.04806002@laptopd505.fenrus.org>

On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 11:06:17PM -0800, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> There is maybe a middle ground in this -next idea; as very first
> part of the series, the new api gets added, current users converted
> and api marked __deprecated.
> 
> Then there's a second part to the patch, which is a separate tree,
> which gets added at the very end, which removed the old api.
> 
> Both will go in at the same merge window, and the next-meister needs
> to track that no new users show up... but the final tree allows this
> to be done somewhat more gentle.
> 
> Doesn't work for API changes that just change the API rather than
> extending it, and doesn't solve the dependency issues. So I still
> think a cleansweep works best in general, but I suspect Andrew just
> disagrees with that.

Yes, that's exactly what I was suggesting.  The __deprecate only lasts
for the merge window, and we remove the old API at the end of the
merge window.  So it's only there for a very short time, and it's only
there to make the cleen sweep a little less painful --- not one where
"shit hangs around in the tree forever".

					- Ted



  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-12 22:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 215+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-12  1:02 Announce: Linux-next (Or Andrew's dream :-)) Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-12  1:36 ` James Bottomley
2008-02-12  2:23   ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-12  3:32     ` James Bottomley
2008-02-12  2:25 ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-13 12:53   ` Frank Seidel
2008-02-19  0:45     ` Frank Seidel
2008-02-13 20:24   ` Ann Davis
2008-02-13 20:57     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-12  4:21 ` Greg KH
2008-02-12  4:31   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-02-12  4:43     ` Greg KH
2008-02-12  5:17       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-02-12  5:53         ` Greg KH
2008-02-12  6:07           ` David Miller
2008-02-12 16:31             ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-12 17:04               ` John W. Linville
2008-02-12 18:11                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-13  0:12                 ` David Miller
2008-02-12 19:37               ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-02-12 20:07                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  0:50                   ` David Miller
2008-02-13  1:31                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  1:38                       ` David Miller
2008-02-13  1:57                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  2:06                           ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-13  2:18                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  2:20                             ` David Miller
2008-02-13  2:47                               ` Joel Becker
2008-02-13 15:06                                 ` John W. Linville
2008-02-13 16:45                                   ` Joel Becker
2008-02-13  4:25                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-02-13  5:43                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13 17:52                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-02-14 17:35                             ` Benny Halevy
2008-02-15 17:15                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-02-12 23:51               ` David Miller
2008-02-12 23:54                 ` Al Viro
2008-02-13  0:16                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-02-13  0:48                     ` Al Viro
2008-02-13  0:56                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-02-13  0:59                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  1:25                         ` Al Viro
2008-02-12 15:07           ` James Bottomley
2008-02-12 15:32             ` Benny Halevy
2008-02-12 16:00               ` James Bottomley
2008-02-12  6:11         ` David Miller
2008-02-12  6:21           ` Harvey Harrison
2008-02-12 16:36           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-12 16:46             ` Benny Halevy
2008-02-12 17:03             ` James Bottomley
2008-02-12 17:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-12 17:38               ` Roland Dreier
2008-02-12 17:41               ` James Bottomley
2008-02-12 17:53                 ` Benny Halevy
2008-02-12 18:36                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-12 19:25                     ` Benny Halevy
2008-02-12 18:00                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-12 18:24                   ` James Bottomley
2008-02-12 18:48                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-12 18:59                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-12 19:19                         ` Greg KH
2008-02-13 10:05                           ` Russell King
2008-02-13 12:06                             ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-13 12:19                               ` Russell King
2008-02-12 19:41                         ` Al Viro
2008-02-12 21:51                           ` Alan Cox
2008-02-12 22:17                             ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-12 22:20                               ` Alan Cox
2008-02-12 22:41                                 ` Al Viro
2008-02-12 23:01                                   ` Alan Cox
2008-02-12 23:27                                     ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 22:55                                 ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 22:59                                   ` Alan Cox
2008-02-12 23:26                                     ` Greg KH
2008-02-13 10:07                             ` Russell King
2008-02-13  0:36                         ` David Miller
2008-02-13  0:53                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  1:25                             ` David Miller
2008-02-12 19:17                       ` James Bottomley
2008-02-13  0:33                       ` David Miller
2008-02-12 20:18                     ` Jiri Kosina
2008-02-12 21:00                       ` James Bottomley
2008-02-13  0:27                     ` David Miller
2008-02-17 12:42                     ` David Woodhouse
2008-02-12 17:48               ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 18:26                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-12 19:15                   ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 19:46                     ` Al Viro
2008-02-12 20:50                       ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 21:08                         ` Al Viro
2008-02-12 21:20                           ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 21:36                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13 10:54                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-02-13 17:24                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-12 19:55                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-12 20:48                       ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 21:25                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-12 23:49                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-02-15 23:23                         ` Russell King
2008-02-15 23:37                           ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-15 23:47                             ` Randy Dunlap
2008-02-16  0:12                               ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16  0:17                               ` Russell King
2008-02-16  0:25                                 ` Randy Dunlap
2008-02-13 17:12                       ` Roel Kluin
2008-02-13 18:08                         ` Alan Cox
2008-02-15 23:05                           ` Roel Kluin
2008-02-16  0:03                             ` Alan Cox
2008-02-13 18:09                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-15 22:59                           ` Roel Kluin
2008-02-13  0:41                     ` David Miller
2008-02-13  0:47                       ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-13  1:23                         ` David Miller
2008-02-13  7:38                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-02-13  8:45                       ` distributed module configuration [Was: Announce: Linux-next (Or Andrew's dream :-))] Sam Ravnborg
2008-02-13  8:54                         ` distributed module configuration David Miller
2008-02-13  9:04                           ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-02-13  9:06                             ` David Miller
2008-02-13 10:09                             ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2008-02-17 15:51                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-14  0:56                         ` distributed module configuration [Was: Announce: Linux-next (Or Andrew's dream :-))] Roman Zippel
2008-02-14  8:48                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-02-14 22:38                           ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-02-13  0:31                   ` Announce: Linux-next (Or Andrew's dream :-)) David Miller
2008-02-12 18:48                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-12 20:03               ` Russell King
2008-02-12 20:23                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-12 20:31                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13 17:53               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-12 23:58             ` David Miller
2008-02-13  0:29               ` Greg KH
2008-02-13  0:49                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  1:24                   ` David Miller
2008-02-13  2:16                   ` Theodore Tso
2008-02-13 10:58                     ` Catalin Marinas
2008-02-13  6:16                   ` Greg KH
2008-02-13  7:28                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-02-16 11:16                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-02-13 10:36                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-02-13 17:55                       ` Greg KH
2008-02-13 10:48                     ` Catalin Marinas
2008-02-13  0:37               ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-13  1:16                 ` David Miller
2008-02-13  1:46                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-13  0:44               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  1:20                 ` David Miller
2008-02-13  1:41                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  1:46                     ` David Miller
2008-02-13  2:25                   ` James Bottomley
2008-02-13  2:35                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  3:00                       ` James Bottomley
2008-02-13  3:31                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  3:48                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-13  5:17                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-02-13  4:10                           ` James Bottomley
2008-02-13  5:14                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-02-13  4:19                         ` Paul Mundt
2008-02-13  4:52                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-02-12  4:45     ` Trond Myklebust
2008-02-12  5:11       ` Theodore Tso
2008-02-12  6:02         ` David Miller
2008-02-12  7:06           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-02-12 22:44             ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2008-02-12  6:15         ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-12 11:57           ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-12 14:57             ` Greg KH
2008-02-14  8:14             ` Russell King
2008-02-14 12:22               ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-14 18:01                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-14 18:32                   ` Gene Heskett
2008-02-14 20:32                     ` Greg KH
2008-02-14 20:39                       ` Gene Heskett
2008-02-15  6:44                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-02-15  6:29                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-02-15  9:26                       ` Gene Heskett
2008-02-15 14:52                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-02-15  1:11                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-02-20 14:55                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-20 15:38                     ` Stefan Richter
2008-02-20 15:42                       ` Theodore Tso
2008-02-20 17:13                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-21 13:22                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-02-12  5:07   ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-12  5:56     ` Greg KH
2008-02-12  6:10       ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-12 16:24   ` multiple drivers, single device (was Re: Announce: Linux-next (Or Andrew's dream :-))) Jeff Garzik
2008-02-12 16:42     ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 17:42       ` multiple drivers, single device Roland Dreier
2008-02-12 17:51         ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 18:08         ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-12 17:56       ` multiple drivers, single device (was Re: Announce: Linux-next (Or Andrew's dream :-))) Jeff Garzik
2008-02-12 18:10         ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 18:31           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-12 18:30         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-12 21:38           ` Greg KH
2008-02-12 22:34   ` Announce: Linux-next (Or Andrew's dream :-)) Jan Engelhardt
2008-02-12 18:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-13  1:20 ` Randy Dunlap
2008-02-13  5:03 ` Kumar Gala
2008-02-14 23:22 ` Roland Dreier
2008-02-15  1:02   ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-16 15:14     ` James Bottomley
2008-02-17  5:25       ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-17 14:27         ` James Bottomley
2008-02-16  0:09 ` Russell King
2008-02-16  0:21   ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16  0:31     ` Russell King
2008-02-16  0:45       ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-16  0:42     ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-02-16  8:08       ` Russell King
2008-02-26  3:54   ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-29 12:45     ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-02-29 13:04       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-29 23:45         ` Stephen Rothwell

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