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From: Ondrej Zary <linux@rainbow-software.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	Daniel Barkalow <barkalow@iabervon.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Kok, Auke" <auke-jan.h.kok@intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	NetDev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	e1000-list <e1000-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	linux-pci maillist <linux-pci@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jesse Brandeburg <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>,
	"Ronciak, John" <john.ronciak@intel.com>,
	"Allan, Bruce W" <bruce.w.allan@intel.com>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Subject: Re: [patch] e1000=y && e1000e=m regression fix
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:34:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200804132334.21654.linux@rainbow-software.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.00.0804131410340.2982@woody.linux-foundation.org>

On Sunday 13 April 2008 23:13:01 Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> > Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > > .. but that said, I think your patch is certainly better than what we
> > > have now (or what Ingo was complaining about for the next merge
> > > window). I certainly could live with it. I would just suggest against
> > > ever then removing that "generic E1000" choice.
> >
> > You mean never ever remove PCI-E support from e1000?
>
> No. I mean never ever remove the *configure* level thinking that "e1000 is
> e1000".
>
> There is no sense in *ever* showing it as two drivers to users, because
> users do not see them as separate chipsets. They look identical, down to
> the part names.
>
> If it's a single family, and users can't even easily tell whether they
> have version 1 or version 2 (PCI vs PCI-E), you shouldn't even ask them.
> You should literally ask them: "do you want e1000 support".

It's something like RTL8139. There are two versions of the chips. They even 
have the same PCI IDs. But there are two different drivers - 8139cp and 
8139too. It's really bad for users

>
> That's it.
>
> Once you have asked them that, you can then decide "ok, if you *really*
> know what version of the chip you have, you can decide to only get limited
> driver support".
>
> But that's a secondary thing from a user perspective.
>
> See the patch I already sent out.
>
> 			Linus
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Ondrej Zary

  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-13 21:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-04 21:11 [ANNOUNCE] e1000 to e1000e migration of PCI Express devices Kok, Auke
2008-04-04 21:11 ` Kok, Auke
2008-04-04 21:31 ` Dave Hansen
2008-04-04 21:49   ` [E1000-devel] " Kok, Auke
2008-04-04 21:52   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-04 21:52     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-08  8:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 14:21   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-08 15:08     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-08 14:56   ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-08 14:56     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-08 16:18   ` Kok, Auke
2008-04-08 18:15     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 18:15       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 18:39     ` [regression] e1000e broke e1000 (was: Re: [ANNOUNCE] e1000 to e1000e migration of PCI Express devices) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 18:39       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 19:32       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-08 19:51         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 19:51           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 19:56           ` [regression] e1000e broke e1000 Jeff Garzik
2008-04-08 20:06             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 20:06               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 20:19               ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-08 20:19                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-08 20:33                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 20:33                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 20:47                   ` [E1000-devel] " Kok, Auke
2008-04-08 20:56                   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-09 19:38                     ` [patch] e1000=y && e1000e=m regression fix (was: Re: [regression] e1000e broke e1000) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-09 19:50                       ` [patch] e1000=y && e1000e=m regression fix Jeff Garzik
2008-04-09 20:04                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-09 20:04                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-09 20:12                       ` Kok, Auke
2008-04-09 20:53                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-09 20:53                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-10 18:29                         ` Kok, Auke
2008-04-10 19:27                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-10 19:27                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-10 21:23                             ` Kok, Auke
2008-04-10 21:44                               ` Randy Dunlap
2008-04-10 21:52                                 ` Kok, Auke
2008-04-11  7:54                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-11  0:46                               ` Philip Craig
2008-04-11 11:26                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11 11:26                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11 11:36                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-11 12:16                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11 12:16                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11 16:22                                     ` Kok, Auke
2008-04-11 16:45                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-11 17:26                                         ` Kok, Auke
2008-04-11 17:34                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-11 17:53                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-11 18:51                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-11 18:51                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-11 19:01                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-11 19:25                                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-11 19:25                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-11 19:38                                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-11 20:21                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-11 20:21                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-11 20:22                                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-11 20:29                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-11 20:29                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-11 21:01                                               ` Dan Noe
2008-04-11 21:01                                                 ` Dan Noe
2008-04-11 22:06                                           ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-11 22:21                                             ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-11 23:05                                               ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-11 23:00                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-11 23:00                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-11 23:15                                               ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-11 23:15                                                 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-11 23:43                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-11 23:43                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-11 23:58                                                 ` david
2008-04-12 13:07                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-13 21:13                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-13 21:13                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-13 21:34                                                   ` Ondrej Zary [this message]
2008-06-09 19:24                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-06-09 19:24                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11 17:10                                       ` Martin Mares
2008-04-09 20:49                       ` [patch] e1000=y && e1000e=m regression fix (was: Re: [regression] e1000e broke e1000) Frans Pop
2008-04-09 20:49                         ` Frans Pop
2008-04-09 23:59                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-10  1:40                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-10  1:40                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-10  9:57                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-10 14:30                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-10 14:30                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-10 17:55                                 ` Grant Grundler
2008-04-10 18:04                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-10 18:26                                     ` [patch] e1000=y && e1000e=m regression fix Kok, Auke
2008-04-10 21:20                                       ` Chris Friesen
2008-04-10 19:27                                   ` [patch] e1000=y && e1000e=m regression fix (was: Re: [regression] e1000e broke e1000) Linus Torvalds
2008-04-10 21:35                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-10 21:35                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-08 20:31               ` [regression] e1000e broke e1000 Kok, Auke
2008-04-09 19:12                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-09 19:33                   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-11 11:30                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11 15:40                       ` Chris Friesen
2008-04-11 19:29                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-10  0:52           ` Bill Davidsen
2008-04-11  8:59             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 19:43       ` [regression] e1000e broke e1000 (was: Re: [ANNOUNCE] e1000 toe1000e migration of PCI Express devices) Brandeburg, Jesse
2008-04-08 19:43         ` Brandeburg, Jesse
2008-04-08 19:59         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 20:04           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-08 20:12             ` [regression] e1000e broke e1000 Dan Noe
2008-04-08 20:12               ` Dan Noe
2008-04-08 20:20               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-08 20:35                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 20:36                   ` Martin Mares
2008-04-08 20:36                     ` Martin Mares
2008-04-08 20:39                 ` Dan Noe
2008-04-08 20:39                   ` Dan Noe
2008-04-08 20:13             ` showing which hardware is unclaimed Rick Jones
2008-04-08 20:35               ` Martin Mares
2008-04-08 20:35                 ` Martin Mares
2008-04-08 20:17             ` [regression] e1000e broke e1000 (was: Re: [ANNOUNCE] e1000 toe1000e migration of PCI Express devices) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 20:17               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-09 19:08   ` [ANNOUNCE] e1000 to e1000e migration of PCI Express devices Ingo Molnar
2008-04-09 19:38     ` Andi Kleen

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