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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br>
Cc: Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>,
	Kasper Sandberg <lkml@metanurb.dk>,
	Rudolf Marek <r.marek@assembler.cz>,
	Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>,
	trenn@suse.de, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	Matthew <jackdachef@gmail.com>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Zhang, Rui" <rui.zhang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.25 (coretemp reads high temperatures)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:36:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080502203615.GF3956@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080430145110.GC3543@khazad-dum.debian.net>

Hi!

> > > So, im confused.. The reason for this is that the internal sensor is
> > > operating on some sort of weird scale, and thus when you interpolate it
> > > into "your" scale, it doesent quite come out in the actual degrees
> > > celcius the cpu temperature really is?
> > 
> > It's really only an offset, rather than scaling. The temperature
> > reported by the Core and Core2 CPUs is a relative temperature. It tells
> > how far you are from the maximum temperature the CPU can survive. The
> > value is expressed in (relative) degrees C.
> 
> Ah, please ignore my email about ITUs (Intel thermal units), then.  The
> above means 1ITU=1°C, but their zeros are at different places.
> 
> > Rudolf did his best to find out the (absolute) temperature each CPU
> > model can survive (known as TJmax) so that the coretemp driver can
> > provide an absolute temperature to user-space, as all other hardware
> > monitoring drivers do. Our hope was to limit the confusion, but it
> > seems we failed ;) Maybe it would be better if the driver was reporting
> > the relative temperature value directly when we don't know the TJmax
> > value for sure - but then all user-space tools would need to learn how
> > to deal with this.
> 
> Actually, just libsensors would, and the local admin can adjust it at
> will using the config file.
> 
> Nobody in userspace should be reading hwmon sysfs directly without the
> use of libsensors.  If they are, it is their bug, and it is unsupported
> AFAIK.

Hmm, that's an interesting ABI design. No, I do not think that's a
good idea.

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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br>
Cc: Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>,
	Kasper Sandberg <lkml@metanurb.dk>,
	Rudolf Marek <r.marek@assembler.cz>,
	Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>,
	trenn@suse.de, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	Matthew <jackdachef@gmail.com>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Zhang, Rui" <rui.zhang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.25 (coretemp reads high temperatures)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:36:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080502203615.GF3956@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080430145110.GC3543@khazad-dum.debian.net>

Hi!

> > > So, im confused.. The reason for this is that the internal sensor is
> > > operating on some sort of weird scale, and thus when you interpolate it
> > > into "your" scale, it doesent quite come out in the actual degrees
> > > celcius the cpu temperature really is?
> > 
> > It's really only an offset, rather than scaling. The temperature
> > reported by the Core and Core2 CPUs is a relative temperature. It tells
> > how far you are from the maximum temperature the CPU can survive. The
> > value is expressed in (relative) degrees C.
> 
> Ah, please ignore my email about ITUs (Intel thermal units), then.  The
> above means 1ITU=1°C, but their zeros are at different places.
> 
> > Rudolf did his best to find out the (absolute) temperature each CPU
> > model can survive (known as TJmax) so that the coretemp driver can
> > provide an absolute temperature to user-space, as all other hardware
> > monitoring drivers do. Our hope was to limit the confusion, but it
> > seems we failed ;) Maybe it would be better if the driver was reporting
> > the relative temperature value directly when we don't know the TJmax
> > value for sure - but then all user-space tools would need to learn how
> > to deal with this.
> 
> Actually, just libsensors would, and the local admin can adjust it at
> will using the config file.
> 
> Nobody in userspace should be reading hwmon sysfs directly without the
> use of libsensors.  If they are, it is their bug, and it is unsupported
> AFAIK.

Hmm, that's an interesting ABI design. No, I do not think that's a
good idea.

-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-05-02 20:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-18 15:37 Linux 2.6.25 Matthew
2008-04-18 15:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-18 16:02   ` Matthew
2008-04-18 19:38   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-04-18 20:03     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-04-19  3:05       ` Rene Herman
2008-04-19  3:20         ` Rene Herman
2008-04-19  6:17           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2008-04-19 10:18             ` Matthew
2008-04-19 10:22               ` Matthew
2008-04-20 12:02                 ` Matthew
2008-04-24  3:36                   ` Len Brown
2008-04-18 16:24 ` Gene Heskett
2008-04-18 16:27 ` Gene Heskett
2008-04-18 19:18 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-18 20:24   ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-18 20:50     ` [lm-sensors] " Rudolf Marek
2008-04-18 20:50       ` Rudolf Marek
2008-04-19  1:51 ` Linux 2.6.25 (coretemp reads high temperatures) Len Brown
2008-04-21 16:10   ` Thomas Bächler
2008-04-21 16:28     ` Matthew
2008-04-21 17:07       ` Fwd: " Matthew
2008-04-22  9:26         ` Matthew
2008-04-23  8:43   ` Maxim Levitsky
2008-04-23  8:43     ` Maxim Levitsky
2008-04-28 18:19     ` Kasper Sandberg
2008-04-28 18:19       ` Kasper Sandberg
2008-04-29 13:07       ` Thomas Renninger
2008-04-29 15:08         ` Jean Delvare
2008-04-29 22:14           ` Rudolf Marek
2008-04-29 22:58             ` Matthew
2008-04-29 22:58               ` Matthew
2008-04-30  6:10               ` Jean Delvare
2008-04-30  6:10                 ` Jean Delvare
2008-04-30 14:46                 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-04-30 14:46                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-04-30 14:50                   ` Rudolf Marek
2008-04-30 14:50                     ` Rudolf Marek
2008-04-30 15:18                     ` Jean Delvare
2008-04-30 15:18                       ` Jean Delvare
2008-05-02 20:35                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-02 20:35                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-30  0:11             ` Kasper Sandberg
2008-04-30  0:11               ` Kasper Sandberg
2008-04-30  6:20               ` Jean Delvare
2008-04-30  6:20                 ` Jean Delvare
2008-04-30 14:51                 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-04-30 14:51                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-04-30 15:28                   ` Jean Delvare
2008-04-30 15:28                     ` Jean Delvare
2008-05-02 20:36                   ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2008-05-02 20:36                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-04 17:42                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-05-05 13:45                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-02 20:35             ` Pavel Machek

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