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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@sun.com>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vge
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 11:59:58 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080517175958.GL3491@webber.adilger.int> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080517134344.GA7411@mit.edu>

On May 17, 2008  09:43 -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 05:35:52PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > Journal wrapping could cause the commit block to get written before its
> > data blocks.  We could improve that by changing the journal layout a bit:
> > wrap the entire commit rather than just its tail.  Such a change might
> > be intrusive though.
> 
> Or we backport jbd2's checksum support in the commit block to jbd;
> with the checksum support, if the commit block is written out-of-order
> with the rest of the blocks in the commit, the commit will simply not
> be recognized as valid, and we'll use the previous commit block as the
> last valid commit.

The jbd2 journal checksum support, along with the 64-bit journal block
layout is designed to be 100% compatible with jbd, so it would be
trivial to "back port" jbd2.  Just copy jbd2 into jbd, and add the
option to set (or set by default) the JBD_FEATURE_COMPAT_CHECKSUM
feature in the journal.

I was going to suggest complete removal of jbd2 at that point, but
the ordered-mode rewrite is still pending and should live in ext4
for a reasonably long while before going back to ext3.

Cheers, Andreas
--
Andreas Dilger
Sr. Staff Engineer, Lustre Group
Sun Microsystems of Canada, Inc.


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@sun.com>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 11:59:58 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080517175958.GL3491@webber.adilger.int> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080517134344.GA7411@mit.edu>

On May 17, 2008  09:43 -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 05:35:52PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > Journal wrapping could cause the commit block to get written before its
> > data blocks.  We could improve that by changing the journal layout a bit:
> > wrap the entire commit rather than just its tail.  Such a change might
> > be intrusive though.
> 
> Or we backport jbd2's checksum support in the commit block to jbd;
> with the checksum support, if the commit block is written out-of-order
> with the rest of the blocks in the commit, the commit will simply not
> be recognized as valid, and we'll use the previous commit block as the
> last valid commit.

The jbd2 journal checksum support, along with the 64-bit journal block
layout is designed to be 100% compatible with jbd, so it would be
trivial to "back port" jbd2.  Just copy jbd2 into jbd, and add the
option to set (or set by default) the JBD_FEATURE_COMPAT_CHECKSUM
feature in the journal.

I was going to suggest complete removal of jbd2 at that point, but
the ordered-mode rewrite is still pending and should live in ext4
for a reasonably long while before going back to ext3.

Cheers, Andreas
--
Andreas Dilger
Sr. Staff Engineer, Lustre Group
Sun Microsystems of Canada, Inc.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-17 18:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-16 19:02 [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes Eric Sandeen
2008-05-16 19:05 ` [PATCH 1/4] ext3: enable barriers by default Eric Sandeen
2008-05-19  8:58   ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-16 19:07 ` [PATCH 2/4] ext3: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync Eric Sandeen
2008-05-16 22:15   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-16 19:08 ` [PATCH 3/4] ext4: enable barriers by default Eric Sandeen
2008-05-16 19:09 ` [PATCH 4/4] ext4: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync Eric Sandeen
2008-05-20  2:34   ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-20 15:43     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 15:43       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 15:52       ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-20 15:52       ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-20 15:52         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-20 20:14         ` Jens Axboe
2008-05-20 19:54       ` Jens Axboe
2008-05-20 19:54         ` Jens Axboe
2008-05-20 22:02         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21  7:30           ` Jens Axboe
2008-05-16 20:05 ` [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes Andrew Morton
2008-05-16 20:53   ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-16 20:58     ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-16 21:45       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-16 22:03         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-16 22:09           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-16 22:03     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-16 22:21       ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-16 22:53         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-17  0:20           ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-17  0:35             ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-17 13:43               ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-17 17:59                 ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2008-05-17 17:59                   ` Andreas Dilger
2008-05-17 17:59                 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-05-17 20:44                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-20 14:45                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 14:45                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-18  0:48               ` Chris Mason
2008-05-18  1:36                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-18 14:49                   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-05-18 14:49                   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-05-18 14:49                     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-05-20 14:42                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 23:48                     ` Jamie Lokier
     [not found]                   ` <4830420D.4080608__28835.4277647615$1211137279$gmane$org@gmail.com>
2008-05-18 19:59                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-18 16:07                       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-05-20 23:44                 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-18 20:03         ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-19  0:43           ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-19  2:29             ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-19  2:29             ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-19  2:29               ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-19  4:11               ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-19 17:16                 ` Chris Mason
2008-05-19 18:39                   ` Chris Mason
2008-05-19 22:39                     ` Jan Kara
2008-05-20  0:29                       ` Chris Mason
2008-05-20  3:29                         ` Timothy Shimmin
2008-05-20 12:04                           ` Chris Mason
2008-05-20  8:25                     ` Jens Axboe
2008-05-20 12:17                       ` Chris Mason
2008-05-21 11:22                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-21 12:32                       ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-21 18:03                       ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21 18:15                         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-21 19:43                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 18:29                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-21 18:49                           ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21 19:42                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 19:36                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 19:36                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 19:36                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 19:40                             ` Chris Mason
2008-05-21 19:54                         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 14:58                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 22:30                   ` Daniel Phillips
2008-05-20 23:35               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-19  0:28       ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-20 15:13         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 15:13         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 15:13           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 20:25           ` Greg Smith
2008-05-16 22:30   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-18 19:54   ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-19 13:26     ` Chris Mason
2008-05-19 14:46       ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-20  2:51         ` [PATCH, RFC] ext4: Fix use of write barrier in commit logic Theodore Tso
2008-05-20  2:51         ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-20  2:51           ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-20 15:23           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 15:23           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 15:23             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-23 18:33         ` [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes Ric Wheeler
2008-05-23 18:33         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-05-23 18:33           ` Ric Wheeler
2008-05-20 15:36       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 16:02         ` Chris Mason
2008-05-20 16:27           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 17:08             ` Chris Mason
2008-05-20 22:26               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-19  9:04   ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-29 13:36   ` Eric Sandeen

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