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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
Cc: Andreas Dilger <adilger@sun.com>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0 of 3] [RFC] I/O Hints
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:02:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080606140205.GF19246@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq1od6fml2q.fsf@sermon.lab.mkp.net>

Martin K. Petersen wrote:
> The phys_off value I export for the MD device is the offset for the
> first device.  But that does not imply that the other devices in the
> stripe have the same alignment.

There are setups where the offsets of subdevices are modulo-aligned
well for performance, and when they aren't.

When they conflict for poor performance, it's useful to be informed.

> I considered taking an approach similar to blk_queue_stack_limits()
> where you clamp using the existing values as you add more devices.

Makes some sense.

> The downside to that is that you really want to let the user know that
> there's a potential problem.

As long as the measurement presented is one which looks worse and
worse when you combine subdevices, they will see from the bad-looking
value.  A flag is a nice bonus, but the main thing is, e.g. "the
largest combined stripe size for the device is 8 sectors" due to
poor offset skew, instead of 1024 sectors, say.

> And requiring the user to scrounge
> through syslog to look for complaints isn't so happening.  I'd much
> rather do that in libdisk where it's easy to print a message about
> "Suboptimal layout, proceed with caution".

I agree, that is good.

Where it is due to specific values being not exactly right - like the
subdevice offset (or modulo-offset) in MD because it doesn't represent
all subdevices - it would be good for the info to have flags saying
which _specific_ values are not exactly right.

So that programs can choose their heuristics appropriately.  After
all, users will use suboptimal layouts, and still want the best
performance it can do.

-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-06 14:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-05  5:22 [PATCH 0 of 3] [RFC] I/O Hints Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-05  5:22 ` [PATCH 1 of 3] block: Export I/O hints for block devices and partitions Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-05 14:42   ` James Bottomley
2008-06-06  1:18     ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-06 14:21   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-05  5:22 ` [PATCH 2 of 3] md: Export preferred I/O sizes and physical alignment Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-05  5:22 ` [PATCH 3 of 3] sd: Export preferred I/O sizes Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-05 11:25   ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-06-05  6:27 ` [PATCH 0 of 3] [RFC] I/O Hints Andreas Dilger
2008-06-05 10:32   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-05 12:35   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-05 17:02     ` Dan Williams
2008-06-06  1:03   ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-06 14:02     ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2008-06-06 16:48       ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-09 10:47         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-10  2:17           ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-05 10:40 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-05 19:19   ` Andreas Dilger
2008-06-06 12:55     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-06  1:16   ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-06  4:51     ` Dave Chinner
2008-06-06 16:53       ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-07 20:54         ` Dave Chinner
2008-06-09 15:05           ` Martin K. Petersen
2008-06-06 12:52     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-06 14:26 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-06 16:56   ` Martin K. Petersen

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