From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Nathan Lynch <ntl@pobox.com>
Cc: linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH 0/3] sched: allow arch override of cpu power
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:50:48 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080619095048.GD15228@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1213835374-10868-1-git-send-email-ntl@pobox.com>
* Nathan Lynch <ntl@pobox.com> wrote:
> There is an "interesting" quality of POWER6 cores, which each have 2
> hardware threads: assuming one thread on the core is idle, the primary
> thread is a little "faster" than the secondary thread. To illustrate:
>
> for cpumask in 0x1 0x2 ; do
> taskset $cpumask /usr/bin/time -f "%e elapsed, %U user, %S sys" \
> /bin/sh -c "i=1000000 ; while (( i-- )) ; do : ; done"
> done
>
> 17.05 elapsed, 16.83 user, 0.22 sys
> 17.54 elapsed, 17.32 user, 0.22 sys
>
> (The first result is for a primary thread; the second result for a
> secondary thread.)
>
> So it would be nice to have the scheduler slightly prefer primary
> threads on POWER6 machines. These patches, which allow the
> architecture to override the scheduler's CPU "power" calculation, are
> one possible approach, but I'm open to others. Please note: these
> seemed to have the desired effect on 2.6.25-rc kernels (2-3%
> improvement in a kernbench-like make -j <nr_cores>), but I'm not
> seeing this improvement with 2.6.26-rc kernels for some reason I am
> still trying to track down.
ok, i guess that discrepancy has to be tracked down before we can think
about these patches - but the principle is OK.
One problem is that the whole cpu-power balancing code in sched.c is a
bit ... unclear and under-documented. So any change to this area should
begin at documenting the basics: what do the units mean exactly, how are
they used in balancing and what is the desired effect.
I'd not be surprised if there were a few buglets in this area, SMT is
not at the forefront of testing at the moment. There's nothing
spectacularly broken in it (i have a HT machine myself), but the
concepts have bitrotten a bit. Patches - even if they just add comments
- are welcome :-)
Ingo
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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Nathan Lynch <ntl@pobox.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH 0/3] sched: allow arch override of cpu power
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:50:48 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080619095048.GD15228@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1213835374-10868-1-git-send-email-ntl@pobox.com>
* Nathan Lynch <ntl@pobox.com> wrote:
> There is an "interesting" quality of POWER6 cores, which each have 2
> hardware threads: assuming one thread on the core is idle, the primary
> thread is a little "faster" than the secondary thread. To illustrate:
>
> for cpumask in 0x1 0x2 ; do
> taskset $cpumask /usr/bin/time -f "%e elapsed, %U user, %S sys" \
> /bin/sh -c "i=1000000 ; while (( i-- )) ; do : ; done"
> done
>
> 17.05 elapsed, 16.83 user, 0.22 sys
> 17.54 elapsed, 17.32 user, 0.22 sys
>
> (The first result is for a primary thread; the second result for a
> secondary thread.)
>
> So it would be nice to have the scheduler slightly prefer primary
> threads on POWER6 machines. These patches, which allow the
> architecture to override the scheduler's CPU "power" calculation, are
> one possible approach, but I'm open to others. Please note: these
> seemed to have the desired effect on 2.6.25-rc kernels (2-3%
> improvement in a kernbench-like make -j <nr_cores>), but I'm not
> seeing this improvement with 2.6.26-rc kernels for some reason I am
> still trying to track down.
ok, i guess that discrepancy has to be tracked down before we can think
about these patches - but the principle is OK.
One problem is that the whole cpu-power balancing code in sched.c is a
bit ... unclear and under-documented. So any change to this area should
begin at documenting the basics: what do the units mean exactly, how are
they used in balancing and what is the desired effect.
I'd not be surprised if there were a few buglets in this area, SMT is
not at the forefront of testing at the moment. There's nothing
spectacularly broken in it (i have a HT machine myself), but the
concepts have bitrotten a bit. Patches - even if they just add comments
- are welcome :-)
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-06-19 9:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-06-19 0:29 [RFC/PATCH 0/3] sched: allow arch override of cpu power Nathan Lynch
2008-06-19 0:29 ` Nathan Lynch
2008-06-19 0:29 ` [RFC/PATCH 1/3] sched: support arch override of sched_group " Nathan Lynch
2008-06-19 0:29 ` Nathan Lynch
2008-06-19 0:29 ` [RFC/PATCH 2/3] add cpu_power to machdep_calls, override SD_SIBLING_INIT Nathan Lynch
2008-06-19 0:29 ` Nathan Lynch
2008-06-19 0:29 ` [RFC/PATCH 3/3] adjust cpu power for secondary threads on POWER6 Nathan Lynch
2008-06-19 0:29 ` Nathan Lynch
2008-06-19 2:58 ` Olof Johansson
2008-06-19 2:58 ` Olof Johansson
2008-06-19 3:03 ` Olof Johansson
2008-06-19 3:03 ` Olof Johansson
2008-06-19 9:50 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2008-06-19 9:50 ` [RFC/PATCH 0/3] sched: allow arch override of cpu power Ingo Molnar
2008-06-19 17:09 ` Nathan Lynch
2008-06-19 17:09 ` Nathan Lynch
2008-06-26 19:49 ` Breno Leitao
2008-06-26 19:49 ` Breno Leitao
2008-06-27 14:23 ` Nathan Lynch
2008-06-27 14:23 ` Nathan Lynch
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