From: Jean Delvare <khali-PUYAD+kWke1g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
To: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Linuxppc-dev-mnsaURCQ41sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
Paul Mackerras <paulus-eUNUBHrolfbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>,
i2c-GZX6beZjE8VD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Add the of_find_i2c_device_by_node function, V4
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:44:24 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080701184424.40641cd0@hyperion.delvare> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9e4733910807010938w67bab979tfba888641debe72f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:38:05 -0400, Jon Smirl wrote:
> On 7/1/08, Jean Delvare <khali-PUYAD+kWke1g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:12:58 -0400, Jon Smirl wrote:
> > > On 7/1/08, Jean Delvare <khali-PUYAD+kWke1g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > > > I'm fine with this patch. In particular, exporting i2c_bus_type is OK.
> > > > It was un-exported only because it had no user left, but it can be
> > > > exported again if needed.
> > >
> > > Another solution would be to move drivers/of/of_i2c into the i2c
> > > directory and make it part of i2c core on powerpc builds.
> >
> > I don't think this is a good idea. Merging arch-specific code (or
> > half-arch-specific code in this case) into arch-neutral drivers ends up
> > being a pain to maintain. People will keep sending me patches for stuff
> > I don't know anything about and can't help with. Having of-specific
> > stuff in just one directory as is the case now sounds much better to
> > me. All it's missing is a MAINTAINERS entry.
>
> A side effect of this is that the small pieces of code in drivers/of
> have to be compiled into stand alone modules and they may need access
> to internal symbols from the subsystem. If they were directly linked
> into the subsystems you wouldn't need to make the internal symbols
> visible.
Do you think you'll need something else than i2c_bus_type? That I don't
consider an i2c-core internal. As I said, the lack of export was simply
due to a lack of user.
> Now the subsystems have to be careful about breaking the
> in-kernel, external users of the symbols
Same holds if the code is merged into i2c-core.
> and we've made it possible for out of tree drivers to get to internal
> structures.
Hopefully the namespaced exports which some kernel developers are
working on, will become a reality soon, to mitigate that kind of issue.
That being said...
As an upstream kernel developer / maintainer, I don't care about that.
If external modules make use of internals they shouldn't touch, and
later changes cause them to break, that's none of my business. I leave
this to distribution maintainers.
--
Jean Delvare
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From: Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>
To: "Jon Smirl" <jonsmirl@gmail.com>
Cc: Linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
i2c@lm-sensors.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Add the of_find_i2c_device_by_node function, V4
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:44:24 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080701184424.40641cd0@hyperion.delvare> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9e4733910807010938w67bab979tfba888641debe72f@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:38:05 -0400, Jon Smirl wrote:
> On 7/1/08, Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:12:58 -0400, Jon Smirl wrote:
> > > On 7/1/08, Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org> wrote:
> > > > I'm fine with this patch. In particular, exporting i2c_bus_type is OK.
> > > > It was un-exported only because it had no user left, but it can be
> > > > exported again if needed.
> > >
> > > Another solution would be to move drivers/of/of_i2c into the i2c
> > > directory and make it part of i2c core on powerpc builds.
> >
> > I don't think this is a good idea. Merging arch-specific code (or
> > half-arch-specific code in this case) into arch-neutral drivers ends up
> > being a pain to maintain. People will keep sending me patches for stuff
> > I don't know anything about and can't help with. Having of-specific
> > stuff in just one directory as is the case now sounds much better to
> > me. All it's missing is a MAINTAINERS entry.
>
> A side effect of this is that the small pieces of code in drivers/of
> have to be compiled into stand alone modules and they may need access
> to internal symbols from the subsystem. If they were directly linked
> into the subsystems you wouldn't need to make the internal symbols
> visible.
Do you think you'll need something else than i2c_bus_type? That I don't
consider an i2c-core internal. As I said, the lack of export was simply
due to a lack of user.
> Now the subsystems have to be careful about breaking the
> in-kernel, external users of the symbols
Same holds if the code is merged into i2c-core.
> and we've made it possible for out of tree drivers to get to internal
> structures.
Hopefully the namespaced exports which some kernel developers are
working on, will become a reality soon, to mitigate that kind of issue.
That being said...
As an upstream kernel developer / maintainer, I don't care about that.
If external modules make use of internals they shouldn't touch, and
later changes cause them to break, that's none of my business. I leave
this to distribution maintainers.
--
Jean Delvare
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-07-01 16:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-06-30 23:01 [PATCH 1/2] Convert i2c-mpc from a platform driver into a of_platform driver, V4 Jon Smirl
2008-06-30 23:01 ` Jon Smirl
2008-06-30 23:01 ` [PATCH 2/2] Add the of_find_i2c_device_by_node function, V4 Jon Smirl
2008-07-01 15:05 ` Jean Delvare
2008-07-01 15:12 ` Jon Smirl
2008-07-01 16:29 ` Jean Delvare
[not found] ` <20080701182949.12119d6e-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01 16:38 ` Jon Smirl
2008-07-01 16:38 ` Jon Smirl
[not found] ` <9e4733910807010938w67bab979tfba888641debe72f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01 16:44 ` Jean Delvare [this message]
2008-07-01 16:44 ` Jean Delvare
2008-07-01 16:45 ` Grant Likely
2008-07-01 16:45 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <20080701164518.GG6918-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01 17:01 ` Jean Delvare
2008-07-01 17:01 ` Jean Delvare
[not found] ` <20080701190151.76782bbd-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01 17:06 ` Jon Smirl
2008-07-01 17:06 ` Jon Smirl
[not found] ` <9e4733910807011006t20c7689ctfe26931f96c84092-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01 18:24 ` Jean Delvare
2008-07-01 18:24 ` Jean Delvare
2008-07-01 16:43 ` Grant Likely
2008-07-01 17:00 ` Jon Smirl
2008-07-01 17:12 ` Jean Delvare
2008-07-01 17:27 ` Jon Smirl
2008-07-01 18:18 ` Jon Smirl
2008-07-01 18:51 ` Jean Delvare
2008-07-01 15:48 ` Jochen Friedrich
2008-07-01 16:29 ` Jon Smirl
2008-07-01 16:35 ` Jean Delvare
2008-07-01 16:14 ` [PATCH 1/2] Convert i2c-mpc from a platform driver into a of_platform driver, V4 Jean Delvare
2008-07-02 13:33 ` [i2c] " Wolfram Sang
2008-07-02 13:33 ` Wolfram Sang
2008-07-02 14:36 ` Jean Delvare
2008-07-09 17:22 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <fa686aa40807091022q22f6be99j89f311780bd3d369-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10 16:36 ` Timur Tabi
2008-07-10 16:36 ` Timur Tabi
2008-07-11 18:12 ` Grant Likely
2008-07-11 18:45 ` Anton Vorontsov
2008-07-11 18:54 ` Grant Likely
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