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From: Jack Steiner <steiner@sgi.com>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	cl@linux-foundation.org, akpm@osdl.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu, tglx@linutronix.de,
	holt@sgi.com, andrea@qumranet.com, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch 12/13] GRU Driver V3 -  export is_uv_system(), zap_page_range() & follow_page()
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:29:23 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080707192923.GA32706@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080707115844.5ee43343@infradead.org>

On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 11:58:44AM -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:29:54 +0100 (BST)
> Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Jack Steiner wrote:
> > > > > +EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(follow_page);
> > > > 
> > > > NACK.
> > > > 
> > > > These should never be called by a driver and suggest you need to
> > > > rething your VM integration in this driver.
> > > 
> > > Can you provide some additional details on the type of kernel API
> > > that could be exported to provide a pte lookup in atomic context?
> > 
> > I don't see EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(follow_page) as objectionable myself:
> > it rather seems rather to complement EXPORT_SYMBOL(vm_insert_page)
> > and EXPORT_SYMBOL(vmalloc_to_page); though I'd agree that it's
> > sufficiently sensitive to need that _GPL on it.
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > > Currently, the driver calls follow_page() in interrupt context.
> > 
> > However, that's a problem, isn't it, given the pte_offset_map_lock
> > in follow_page?  To avoid the possibility of deadlock, wouldn't we
> > have to change all the page table locking to irq-disabling variants?
> > Which I think we'd have reason to prefer not to do.
> > 
> > Maybe study the assumptions Nick is making in his arch/x86/mm/gup.c
> > in mm, and do something similar in your GRU driver (falling back to
> > the slow method when anything's not quite right).  It's not nice to
> > have such code out in a driver, but GRU is going to be exceptional,
> > and it may be better to have it out there than pretence of generality
> > in the core mm exporting it.
> > 
> 
> I wonder if GRU even should be a module; it sounds rather like pretty
> core functionality and if it's this invasive to the VM it probably
> should be a real part of the VM instead

The GRU is not actually very invasive into the VM. It will use the
new MMU-notifier callbacks. Aside from the need to translate
virt->physical & zap ptes belonging to the GRU, it works fine as a module.
No other core changes are needed.

An additional advantage in keeping it as a module is that I expect it
to under a number of changes as the hardware matures. It is easier to
update the GRU if it is a module.

--- jack

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From: Jack Steiner <steiner@sgi.com>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	cl@linux-foundation.org, akpm@osdl.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu, tglx@linutronix.de,
	holt@sgi.com, andrea@qumranet.com, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch 12/13] GRU Driver V3 -  export is_uv_system(), zap_page_range() & follow_page()
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:29:23 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080707192923.GA32706@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080707115844.5ee43343@infradead.org>

On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 11:58:44AM -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:29:54 +0100 (BST)
> Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Jack Steiner wrote:
> > > > > +EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(follow_page);
> > > > 
> > > > NACK.
> > > > 
> > > > These should never be called by a driver and suggest you need to
> > > > rething your VM integration in this driver.
> > > 
> > > Can you provide some additional details on the type of kernel API
> > > that could be exported to provide a pte lookup in atomic context?
> > 
> > I don't see EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(follow_page) as objectionable myself:
> > it rather seems rather to complement EXPORT_SYMBOL(vm_insert_page)
> > and EXPORT_SYMBOL(vmalloc_to_page); though I'd agree that it's
> > sufficiently sensitive to need that _GPL on it.
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > > Currently, the driver calls follow_page() in interrupt context.
> > 
> > However, that's a problem, isn't it, given the pte_offset_map_lock
> > in follow_page?  To avoid the possibility of deadlock, wouldn't we
> > have to change all the page table locking to irq-disabling variants?
> > Which I think we'd have reason to prefer not to do.
> > 
> > Maybe study the assumptions Nick is making in his arch/x86/mm/gup.c
> > in mm, and do something similar in your GRU driver (falling back to
> > the slow method when anything's not quite right).  It's not nice to
> > have such code out in a driver, but GRU is going to be exceptional,
> > and it may be better to have it out there than pretence of generality
> > in the core mm exporting it.
> > 
> 
> I wonder if GRU even should be a module; it sounds rather like pretty
> core functionality and if it's this invasive to the VM it probably
> should be a real part of the VM instead

The GRU is not actually very invasive into the VM. It will use the
new MMU-notifier callbacks. Aside from the need to translate
virt->physical & zap ptes belonging to the GRU, it works fine as a module.
No other core changes are needed.

An additional advantage in keeping it as a module is that I expect it
to under a number of changes as the hardware matures. It is easier to
update the GRU if it is a module.

--- jack

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-07 19:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-03 21:33 [patch 00/13] GRU Driver V3 - Overview steiner
2008-07-03 21:33 ` [patch 01/13] GRU Driver V3 - hardware data structures steiner
2008-07-03 21:33 ` [patch 02/13] GRU Driver V3 - GRU instructions & macros steiner
2008-07-03 21:33 ` [patch 03/13] GRU Driver V3 - driver internal header files steiner
2008-07-03 21:33 ` [patch 04/13] GRU Driver V3 - kernel services " steiner
2008-07-03 21:33 ` [patch 05/13] GRU Driver V3 - driver initialization, file & vma ops steiner
2008-07-03 21:33 ` [patch 06/13] GRU Driver V3 - page faults & exceptions steiner
2008-07-03 21:33 ` [patch 07/13] GRU Driver V3 - kernel services provide by driver steiner
2008-07-03 21:33 ` [patch 08/13] GRU Driver V3 - resource management steiner
2008-07-03 21:33 ` [patch 09/13] GRU Driver V3 - /proc interfaces steiner
2008-07-03 21:33 ` [patch 10/13] GRU Driver V3 - TLB flushing, MMUOPS callouts steiner
2008-07-03 21:33 ` [patch 11/13] GRU Driver V3 - driver makefile steiner
2008-07-03 21:34 ` [patch 12/13] GRU Driver V3 - export is_uv_system(), zap_page_range() & follow_page() steiner
2008-07-04  7:39   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-07 14:39     ` Jack Steiner
2008-07-07 14:39       ` Jack Steiner
2008-07-07 14:54       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-07-07 14:54         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-07-07 16:29       ` Hugh Dickins
2008-07-07 16:29         ` Hugh Dickins
2008-07-07 16:53         ` Jack Steiner
2008-07-07 16:53           ` Jack Steiner
2008-07-08  2:16           ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-08  2:16             ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-09 19:11             ` Jack Steiner
2008-07-09 19:11               ` Jack Steiner
2008-07-10  7:31               ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-10  7:31                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-10 13:29                 ` Jack Steiner
2008-07-10 13:29                   ` Jack Steiner
2008-07-10 14:21                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-10 14:21                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-10 16:33                     ` Jack Steiner
2008-07-10 16:33                       ` Jack Steiner
2008-07-10 16:52                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-10 16:52                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-10 17:20                         ` Jack Steiner
2008-07-10 17:20                           ` Jack Steiner
2008-07-11  3:30                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-11  3:30                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-07 18:58         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-07 18:58           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-07 19:29           ` Jack Steiner [this message]
2008-07-07 19:29             ` Jack Steiner
2008-07-07 21:03             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-07-07 21:03               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-07-07 14:45     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-07 17:58     ` Jack Steiner
2008-07-07 17:58       ` Jack Steiner
2008-07-03 21:34 ` [patch 13/13] GRU Driver V3 - driver/misc Makefile & Kconfig changes steiner

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