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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <srostedt@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] ftrace: single CPU tracers use CPU clock
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:21:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080726132118.GA30903@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0807260905500.12953@gandalf.stny.rr.com>


* Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:

> > this is not a good idea. We want to fix cpu_clock(), not work around 
> > any deficiencies it might have.
> 
> cpu_clock currently is "sched_clock" when the 
> CONFIG_HAVE_UNSTABLE_SCHED_CLOCK is not set. Which is done via 
> configuration, and I noticed is set on my boxes with a stable TSC??

define 'stable TSC' ;-)

> Perhaps we need to make cpu_clock change dynamically when an unstable 
> sched_clock is detected.
> 
> Even in this case, forcing the tracers that are single CPU to use a 
> clock source that modifies itself to try to look stable across CPUs 
> still seems wrong to me.  The goal of looking stable across CPUs will 
> always be at odds with the irqsoff tracer that does not care about 
> other CPUS but cares tremendously about accurate latencies.

other tracers care too - for example to have the right chronology of 
trace events. The scheduler cares too. What kind of worst-case cross-CPU 
effects have you observed?

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-26 13:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-25 22:00 [PATCH 0/2] ftrace minor updates Steven Rostedt
2008-07-25 22:00 ` [PATCH 1/2] ftrace: single CPU tracers use CPU clock Steven Rostedt
2008-07-26 12:40   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-26 13:15     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-07-26 13:21       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2008-07-26 15:03         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-07-26 15:26           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-26 18:23             ` Steven Rostedt
2008-07-25 22:00 ` [PATCH 2/2] ftrace: disable tracing on acpi idle calls Steven Rostedt
2008-07-26 12:42   ` Ingo Molnar

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