All of lore.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch v3] splice: fix race with page invalidation
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:54:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080730175406.GN20055@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1KOFUi-0000EU-0p@pomaz-ex.szeredi.hu>

On Wed, Jul 30 2008, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> > > 
> > > There are no real disadvantages: splice() from a file was
> > > originally meant to be asynchronous, but in reality it only did
> > > that for non-readahead pages, which happen rarely.
> > 
> > I still don't like this. I still don't see the point, and I still
> > think there is something fundamentally wrong elsewhere.

You snipped the part where Linus objected to dismissing the async
nature, I fully agree with that part.

> We discussed the possible solutions with Nick, and came to the
> conclusion, that short term (i.e. 2.6.27) this is probably the best
> solution.

Ehm where? Nick also said that he didn't like removing the ->confirm()
bits as they are completely related to the async nature of splice. You
already submitted this exact patch earlier and it was nak'ed.

> Long term sure, I have no problem with implementing async splice.
> 
> In fact, I may even have personal interest in looking at splice,
> because people are asking for a zero-copy interface for fuse.
> 
> But that is definitely not 2.6.27, so I think you should reconsider
> taking this patch, which is obviously correct due to its simplicity,
> and won't cause any performance regressions either.

Then please just fix the issue, instead of removing the bits that make
this possible.

-- 
Jens Axboe


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch v3] splice: fix race with page invalidation
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:54:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080730175406.GN20055@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1KOFUi-0000EU-0p@pomaz-ex.szeredi.hu>

On Wed, Jul 30 2008, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> > > 
> > > There are no real disadvantages: splice() from a file was
> > > originally meant to be asynchronous, but in reality it only did
> > > that for non-readahead pages, which happen rarely.
> > 
> > I still don't like this. I still don't see the point, and I still
> > think there is something fundamentally wrong elsewhere.

You snipped the part where Linus objected to dismissing the async
nature, I fully agree with that part.

> We discussed the possible solutions with Nick, and came to the
> conclusion, that short term (i.e. 2.6.27) this is probably the best
> solution.

Ehm where? Nick also said that he didn't like removing the ->confirm()
bits as they are completely related to the async nature of splice. You
already submitted this exact patch earlier and it was nak'ed.

> Long term sure, I have no problem with implementing async splice.
> 
> In fact, I may even have personal interest in looking at splice,
> because people are asking for a zero-copy interface for fuse.
> 
> But that is definitely not 2.6.27, so I think you should reconsider
> taking this patch, which is obviously correct due to its simplicity,
> and won't cause any performance regressions either.

Then please just fix the issue, instead of removing the bits that make
this possible.

-- 
Jens Axboe

--
To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in
the body to majordomo@kvack.org.  For more info on Linux MM,
see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ .
Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@kvack.org"> email@kvack.org </a>

  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-30 17:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-30  9:43 [patch v3] splice: fix race with page invalidation Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-30  9:43 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-30 17:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-30 17:00   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-30 17:29   ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-30 17:29     ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-30 17:54     ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2008-07-30 17:54       ` Jens Axboe
2008-07-30 18:32       ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-30 18:32         ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-30 18:43         ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-30 18:43           ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-30 19:45           ` Jens Axboe
2008-07-30 19:45             ` Jens Axboe
2008-07-30 20:05             ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-30 20:05               ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-30 20:13               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-30 20:13                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-30 20:45                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-30 20:45                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-30 20:51                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-30 20:51                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-30 21:16                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-30 21:16                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-30 21:22                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-30 21:22                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-30 21:46                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-30 21:46                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-30 21:56                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-30 21:56                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-31  0:11                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-31  0:11                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-31  0:42                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-31  0:42                       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-31  0:51                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-31  0:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-31  0:54                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-31  0:54                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-31  6:12                         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-31  6:12                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-31 10:26                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-07-31 10:26                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-07-31 12:33                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-31 12:33                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-31 12:49                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-31 12:49                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-31 13:29                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-07-31 13:29                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-07-31 16:56                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-31 16:56                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-31 16:34                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-31 16:34                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-31 17:21                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-31 17:21                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-07-31 18:54                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-31 18:54                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-31  7:30                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-31  7:30                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-31  2:16       ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-31  2:16         ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-31 12:59 ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-31 12:59   ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-31 17:00   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-31 17:00     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-31 18:13     ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-31 18:13       ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-01  1:22       ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-01  1:22         ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-01 18:28         ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-01 18:28           ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-08-01 18:32           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-01 18:32             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-02  4:26           ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-02  4:26             ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-04 15:29             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-04 15:29               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-05  2:57               ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-05  2:57                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-11  3:22                 ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-08-11  3:22                   ` Michael Kerrisk

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20080730175406.GN20055@kernel.dk \
    --to=jens.axboe@oracle.com \
    --cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
    --cc=miklos@szeredi.hu \
    --cc=nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au \
    --cc=torvalds@linux-foundation.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.