From: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>
Cc: xen-devel@lists.xensource.com, Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] xen: groundwork for xen support
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:14:01 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080826141400.GE19615@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18612.1557.455011.713070@mariner.uk.xensource.com>
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 02:33:09PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Gerd Hoffmann writes ("Re: [Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] xen: groundwork for xen support"):
> > So we are scoring at three options for xen now:
> >
> > -xen-domid <nr> specify xen domain id.
> > -xen-create ask qemu to create the domain.
> > -xen-emulate force xen emulation mode.
>
> No, the correct set of options are:
>
> -xen-bare no xend on this system, qemu should create a Xen domain
> without this, Xen machine types use emulated
> Xen functionality
I'm not sure I understand what you mean here ? Are you suggesting this
for the 'Xen hypervisor present, standalone mode - ie no XenD' ? If so
I think that's not right - for standalone mode we shouldn't require any
special args for the admin. We should only require additional args for
cases where management tools like XenD or libvirt are invoking QEMU.
> -xen-domid <nr> has slightly different meanings in the various use cases
Perhaps best not to overload this then - pass domid to the -attach arg
directly, and have a -xen-create <nr> for the scenario where you want
to specify the domid for a newly created VM
> And if you really think you must have the same executable for the xend
> case:
>
> -xen-attach used by xend; qemu is to support a Xen HVM domain
> not to be used from the command line
I'll try to enumerate the scenarios here...
On KVM, using Xenner + shell : No special args
On KVM, using Xenner + libvirtd : -xen-create <domid>
On Xen HV + shell : No special args
On Xen HV + libvirtd : -xen-create <domid>
On Xen HV + XenD : -xen-attach <domid>
NB. by 'shell' I mean the admin manually launching QEMU from the shell
If neither -xen-create or -xen-attach is given, then it will create a
new domain from scratch & auto-allocate a domid. Passing both the
-xen-create and -xen-attach args is forbidden / nonsensical.
In all cases, the actual hypervisor domain ID should be exposed via the
monitor console.
Ian, did I miss any of the use cases you want addressed ? I'm leaving
mini-os out of this now, since as you say, its impossible to have one
binary deal with it, but I'll assume its similar to -xen-attach <domid>
use case in its working.
Daniel
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From: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>
Cc: xen-devel@lists.xensource.com, Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] xen: groundwork for xen support
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:14:01 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080826141400.GE19615@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18612.1557.455011.713070@mariner.uk.xensource.com>
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 02:33:09PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Gerd Hoffmann writes ("Re: [Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] xen: groundwork for xen support"):
> > So we are scoring at three options for xen now:
> >
> > -xen-domid <nr> specify xen domain id.
> > -xen-create ask qemu to create the domain.
> > -xen-emulate force xen emulation mode.
>
> No, the correct set of options are:
>
> -xen-bare no xend on this system, qemu should create a Xen domain
> without this, Xen machine types use emulated
> Xen functionality
I'm not sure I understand what you mean here ? Are you suggesting this
for the 'Xen hypervisor present, standalone mode - ie no XenD' ? If so
I think that's not right - for standalone mode we shouldn't require any
special args for the admin. We should only require additional args for
cases where management tools like XenD or libvirt are invoking QEMU.
> -xen-domid <nr> has slightly different meanings in the various use cases
Perhaps best not to overload this then - pass domid to the -attach arg
directly, and have a -xen-create <nr> for the scenario where you want
to specify the domid for a newly created VM
> And if you really think you must have the same executable for the xend
> case:
>
> -xen-attach used by xend; qemu is to support a Xen HVM domain
> not to be used from the command line
I'll try to enumerate the scenarios here...
On KVM, using Xenner + shell : No special args
On KVM, using Xenner + libvirtd : -xen-create <domid>
On Xen HV + shell : No special args
On Xen HV + libvirtd : -xen-create <domid>
On Xen HV + XenD : -xen-attach <domid>
NB. by 'shell' I mean the admin manually launching QEMU from the shell
If neither -xen-create or -xen-attach is given, then it will create a
new domain from scratch & auto-allocate a domid. Passing both the
-xen-create and -xen-attach args is forbidden / nonsensical.
In all cases, the actual hypervisor domain ID should be exposed via the
monitor console.
Ian, did I miss any of the use cases you want addressed ? I'm leaving
mini-os out of this now, since as you say, its impossible to have one
binary deal with it, but I'll assume its similar to -xen-attach <domid>
use case in its working.
Daniel
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2008-08-21 16:27 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] merge some xen bits into qemu Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/13] Handle terminating signals Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 20:11 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <m2n.s.1KWGbo-001Nr9@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
2008-08-26 10:44 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 12:16 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 12:36 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 12:58 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 17:55 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-26 17:55 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-26 13:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-08-26 13:38 ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 13:38 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 14:52 ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-08-26 14:52 ` Avi Kivity
2008-08-26 17:49 ` [Xen-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-26 17:49 ` [Xen-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-26 15:04 ` [Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-08-26 15:04 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-26 15:08 ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 15:08 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 15:20 ` [Xen-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-08-26 15:20 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-26 15:28 ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 15:28 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 15:36 ` [Xen-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-08-26 15:36 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-26 17:47 ` [Xen-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-26 17:47 ` [Xen-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-26 18:03 ` [Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-26 18:03 ` [Xen-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-26 18:50 ` [Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-08-26 18:50 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-27 9:46 ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-27 9:46 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-27 16:27 ` [Xen-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-27 16:27 ` [Xen-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-27 16:35 ` [Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-27 16:35 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-27 17:55 ` [Xen-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-08-27 17:55 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-27 18:41 ` [Xen-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-27 18:41 ` [Xen-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-28 9:34 ` [Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-28 9:34 ` Ian Jackson
2008-09-07 2:41 ` [Xen-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-09-07 2:41 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-26 15:36 ` [Xen-devel] " Samuel Thibault
2008-08-26 15:36 ` Samuel Thibault
2008-08-26 15:21 ` [Xen-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-08-26 15:21 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <m2n.s.1KXzwZ-002RA9@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
2008-08-26 15:23 ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 15:23 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 15:29 ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-08-26 15:29 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <m2n.s.1KY0XT-002RJM@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
2008-08-26 15:38 ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 15:38 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 16:12 ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-08-26 16:12 ` Avi Kivity
2008-08-26 16:14 ` [Xen-devel] " Julian Seward
2008-08-26 16:14 ` [Xen-devel] " Julian Seward
2008-08-26 16:39 ` [Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-08-26 16:39 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-27 8:05 ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-08-27 8:05 ` Avi Kivity
2008-08-27 8:49 ` [Xen-devel] " Alan Cox
2008-08-27 8:49 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-27 9:10 ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-08-27 9:10 ` Avi Kivity
2008-08-27 9:16 ` [Xen-devel] " Keir Fraser
2008-08-27 9:16 ` Keir Fraser
2008-08-27 9:12 ` [Xen-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2008-08-27 9:12 ` [Xen-devel] " Gleb Natapov
[not found] ` <m2n.s.1KXz4u-002Qvq@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
2008-08-26 14:55 ` [Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 14:55 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/13] add DisplayState->idle Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:33 ` [Qemu-devel] " Samuel Thibault
2008-08-21 16:33 ` Samuel Thibault
2008-08-21 20:12 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/13] add container_of() macro to osdep.h Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 20:12 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/13] move GUI_REFRESH_INTERVAL define from vl.c to console.h Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 20:12 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] xen: groundwork for xen support Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 20:18 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/13] xen: backend driver core Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/13] xen: add console backend driver Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/13] xen: add framebuffer " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/13] xen: add block device " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/13] xen: add net " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/13] xen: blk & nic configuration via cmd line Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/13] set vnc password from xenstore Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 20:14 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-08-21 20:19 ` [Xen-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-21 20:19 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-21 20:22 ` [Xen-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-08-21 20:22 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-21 20:26 ` [Xen-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-21 20:26 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-21 21:34 ` [Xen-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 21:34 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 21:48 ` [Xen-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-21 21:48 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-21 22:36 ` [Xen-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-08-21 22:36 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-24 9:03 ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-08-22 7:04 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-22 7:04 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-22 19:11 ` [Xen-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-22 19:11 ` [Xen-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-22 19:01 ` [Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-22 19:01 ` [Xen-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-21 22:34 ` [Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2008-08-21 22:34 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-08-22 8:27 ` [Xen-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-22 8:27 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-24 8:57 ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-08-24 8:57 ` Avi Kivity
2008-08-24 9:59 ` [Xen-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-24 9:59 ` [Xen-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-24 10:07 ` [Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-08-24 10:07 ` Avi Kivity
2008-08-24 12:48 ` [Xen-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-24 12:48 ` [Xen-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-21 20:59 ` [Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-21 20:59 ` [Xen-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2008-08-21 21:29 ` [Xen-devel] Re: [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 21:29 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 10:13 ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 10:13 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-21 20:17 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [Xen-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-21 20:17 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-21 21:25 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [Xen-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 21:25 ` Gerd Hoffmann
[not found] ` <m2n.s.1KWHfl-001Ntw@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
2008-08-26 10:47 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 10:47 ` [Qemu-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-21 16:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/13] xen: pv domain builder Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-21 16:27 ` Gerd Hoffmann
[not found] ` <m2n.s.1KWDD7-002TB9@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
2008-08-26 10:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] xen: groundwork for xen support Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 12:34 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 12:57 ` [Xen-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-26 12:57 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-26 13:20 ` [Xen-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 13:20 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 13:23 ` [Xen-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-26 13:23 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-26 13:33 ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 13:33 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 14:14 ` Daniel P. Berrange [this message]
2008-08-26 14:14 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-26 14:31 ` [Xen-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 14:31 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 14:40 ` [Xen-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-26 14:40 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-26 14:49 ` [Xen-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 14:49 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 14:53 ` [Xen-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-26 14:53 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-26 19:24 ` [Xen-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 19:24 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 14:53 ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 14:53 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-27 8:51 ` [Xen-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-27 8:51 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-27 9:53 ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-27 9:53 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-27 9:56 ` [Xen-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-27 9:56 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-27 10:00 ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-27 10:00 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-27 10:23 ` [Xen-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-27 10:23 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-27 10:37 ` [Xen-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-27 10:37 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-27 10:44 ` [Xen-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-27 10:44 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-27 11:01 ` [Xen-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-27 11:01 ` Gerd Hoffmann
[not found] ` <m2n.s.1KXzR5-002R2A@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
2008-08-26 15:05 ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 15:05 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 15:09 ` [Xen-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-26 15:09 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-26 13:24 ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 13:24 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 13:50 ` [Xen-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2008-08-26 13:50 ` Daniel P. Berrange
[not found] ` <m2n.s.1KWDfC-002TCd@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
[not found] ` <m2n.s.1KWDGv-002TBJ@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
[not found] ` <m2n.s.1KWDEt-002TBA@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
2008-08-26 10:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/13] xen: pv domain builder Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 10:50 ` [Xen-devel] " Samuel Thibault
2008-08-26 10:50 ` Samuel Thibault
2008-08-26 13:43 ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 13:43 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 21:00 ` [Xen-devel] " Markus Armbruster
2008-08-26 21:00 ` Markus Armbruster
2008-08-26 12:55 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 13:14 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 13:53 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 14:19 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 20:00 ` [Xen-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-26 20:00 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-08-27 9:48 ` [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson
2008-08-27 9:48 ` Ian Jackson
2008-08-26 13:56 ` Gerd Hoffmann
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