From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@sun.com>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>,
Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vg
Subject: Re: [PATCH, RFC] ext4: Use preallocation when reading from the inode table
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:40:04 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080925234004.GR10950@webber.adilger.int> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080924203559.GK9929@mit.edu>
On Sep 24, 2008 16:35 -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On the other hand, if we take your iop/s and translate them to
> milliseconds so we can measure the latency in the case where the
> workload is essentialy doing random reads, and then cross correlated
> it with my measurements, we get this table:
Comparing the incremental benefit of each step:
> i/o size iops/s ms latency % degredation % improvement
> of random inodes of related inodes I/O
> 4k 131 7.634
> 8k 130 7.692 0.77% 11.3%
1.57% 10.5%
> 16k 128 7.813 2.34% 21.8%
1.63% 7.8%
> 32k 126 7.937 3.97% 29.6%
4.29% 5.9%
> 64k 121 8.264 8.26% 35.5%
7.67% 4.5%
> 128k 113 8.850 15.93% 40.0%
16.07% 2.4%
> 256k 100 10.000 31.00% 42.4%
>
> Depending on whether you believe that workloads involving random inode
> reads are more common compared to related inodes I/O, the sweet spot
> is probably somewhere between 32k and 128k. I'm open to opinions
> (preferably backed up with more benchmarks of likely workloads) of
> whether we should use a default value of inode_readahead_bits of 4 or
> 5 (i.e., 64k, my original guess, or 128k, in v2 of the patch). But
> yes, making it tunable is definitely going to be necessary, since for
> different workloads (i.e squid vs. git repositories) will have very
> different requirements.
It looks like moving from 64kB to 128kB readahead might be a loss for
"unknown" workloads, since that increases latency by 7.67% for the random
inode case, but we only get 4.5% improvement in the sequential inode case.
Also recall that at large scale "htree" breaks down to random inode
lookup so that isn't exactly a fringe case (though readahead may still
help if the cache is large enough).
Cheers, Andreas
--
Andreas Dilger
Sr. Staff Engineer, Lustre Group
Sun Microsystems of Canada, Inc.
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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@sun.com>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>,
Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH, RFC] ext4: Use preallocation when reading from the inode table
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:40:04 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080925234004.GR10950@webber.adilger.int> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080924203559.GK9929@mit.edu>
On Sep 24, 2008 16:35 -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On the other hand, if we take your iop/s and translate them to
> milliseconds so we can measure the latency in the case where the
> workload is essentialy doing random reads, and then cross correlated
> it with my measurements, we get this table:
Comparing the incremental benefit of each step:
> i/o size iops/s ms latency % degredation % improvement
> of random inodes of related inodes I/O
> 4k 131 7.634
> 8k 130 7.692 0.77% 11.3%
1.57% 10.5%
> 16k 128 7.813 2.34% 21.8%
1.63% 7.8%
> 32k 126 7.937 3.97% 29.6%
4.29% 5.9%
> 64k 121 8.264 8.26% 35.5%
7.67% 4.5%
> 128k 113 8.850 15.93% 40.0%
16.07% 2.4%
> 256k 100 10.000 31.00% 42.4%
>
> Depending on whether you believe that workloads involving random inode
> reads are more common compared to related inodes I/O, the sweet spot
> is probably somewhere between 32k and 128k. I'm open to opinions
> (preferably backed up with more benchmarks of likely workloads) of
> whether we should use a default value of inode_readahead_bits of 4 or
> 5 (i.e., 64k, my original guess, or 128k, in v2 of the patch). But
> yes, making it tunable is definitely going to be necessary, since for
> different workloads (i.e squid vs. git repositories) will have very
> different requirements.
It looks like moving from 64kB to 128kB readahead might be a loss for
"unknown" workloads, since that increases latency by 7.67% for the random
inode case, but we only get 4.5% improvement in the sequential inode case.
Also recall that at large scale "htree" breaks down to random inode
lookup so that isn't exactly a fringe case (though readahead may still
help if the cache is large enough).
Cheers, Andreas
--
Andreas Dilger
Sr. Staff Engineer, Lustre Group
Sun Microsystems of Canada, Inc.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-09-25 23:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-09-23 0:35 [PATCH, RFC] ext4: Use preallocation when reading from the inode table Theodore Ts'o
2008-09-23 9:16 ` Alan Cox
2008-09-23 11:50 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-09-23 12:18 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-09-24 1:30 ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-24 13:23 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-09-24 14:20 ` Chris Mason
2008-09-24 20:35 ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-25 23:40 ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2008-09-25 23:40 ` Andreas Dilger
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