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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Ben Hutchings <bhutchings@solarflare.com>
Cc: Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>,
	Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] documentation: explain memory barriers
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:27:50 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200810100827.51024.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1223546298.3984.100.camel@achroite>

On Thursday 09 October 2008 20:58, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 01:51 -0400, Chris Snook wrote:

> > I'm completely in favor of documenting everything that can potentially
> > interact with that train wreck, but I maintain that the vast majority of
> > memory barriers are self-evident.
>
> Acquire and release barriers attached to operations are usually self-
> evident; standalone wmb() and rmb() much less so.  It is helpful to be
> explicit about exactly which memory operations need to be ordered, which
> are often not the memory operations immediately preceding and following
> it.  "all" may have been a bit strong though.

No, I don't think so. We should absolutely force "all". That allows nobody
to be lazy, no confusion, and reminds people that memory barriers are not
easy to follow for a new reader of the code, or necessarily even the author,
6 months later. If somebody is too lazy to write a comment, they can use
locks

One last quick quiz, easier than the earlier ones...
mm/vmscan.c:__remove_mapping has a score of lines documenting exactly
what memory operations are being ordered, and even an example of what
happens if the ordering is not folllowed. This is a pretty good comment,
if I say so myself. However, it has one deficiency in that it doesn't
explicitly state where the write barrier(s) is (IMO the comments for one
part of an ordering protocol should reference the other parts of the
protcol).

Where are the store barriers, or why are they not required?

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-09 10:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20080911101616.GA24064@agk.fab.redhat.com>
2008-09-22 21:10 ` [PATCH] Memory management livelock Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-23  0:48   ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-23 22:34   ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-23 22:49     ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-23 23:11       ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-23 23:46         ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-24 18:50           ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-24 18:51           ` [PATCH 1/3] " Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-24 18:52           ` [PATCH 2/3] " Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-02  5:54             ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-05 22:11               ` RFC: one-bit mutexes (was: Re: [PATCH 2/3] Memory management livelock) Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-11 12:06                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-20 20:14                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-21  1:51                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-05 22:14               ` [PATCH 1/3] bit mutexes Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 22:14               ` [PATCH 2/3] Fix fsync livelock Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 22:33                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-05 23:02                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 23:07                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-05 23:18                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 23:28                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06  0:01                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06  0:30                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06  3:30                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06  4:20                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06 13:00                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06 13:50                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06 20:44                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-08 10:56                               ` Pavel Machek
2008-10-06  2:51                             ` Dave Chinner
2008-10-05 22:16               ` [PATCH 3/3] Fix fsync-vs-write misbehavior Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-09  1:12               ` [PATCH] documentation: explain memory barriers Randy Dunlap
2008-10-09  1:17                 ` Chris Snook
2008-10-09  1:31                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-09  5:51                     ` Chris Snook
2008-10-09  9:58                       ` Ben Hutchings
2008-10-09 21:27                         ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2008-10-09 17:29                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-09  1:50                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-10-09 17:35                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-09  6:52                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-09-24 18:53           ` [PATCH 3/3] Memory management livelock Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03  2:32       ` [PATCH] " Nick Piggin
2008-10-03  2:40         ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-03  2:59           ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03  3:14             ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-03  3:47               ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03  3:56                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-03  4:07                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03  4:17                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-03  4:29                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 11:43                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03 12:27                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 13:53                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03  2:54         ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 11:26           ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03 12:31             ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 13:50               ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03 14:50                 ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-10-03 14:36               ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-10-03 15:52           ` application syncing options (was Re: [PATCH] Memory management livelock) david
2008-10-06  0:04             ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06  0:19               ` david
2008-10-06  3:42                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-07  3:37                   ` david
2008-10-07 15:44                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-07 17:16                       ` david

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