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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: dada1@cosmosbay.com
Cc: zbr@ioremap.net, shemminger@vyatta.com,
	ilpo.jarvinen@helsinki.fi, rjw@sisk.pl, mingo@elte.hu,
	s0mbre@tservice.net.ru, a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	efault@gmx.de, akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [tbench regression fixes]: digging out smelly deadmen.
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:51:44 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081031.165144.86556444.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <490B7284.2010003@cosmosbay.com>

From: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:03:00 +0100

> Evgeniy Polyakov a écrit :
> > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:57:13PM -0700, Stephen Hemminger (shemminger@vyatta.com) wrote:
> >> Why bother with last_rx at all on loopback.  I have been thinking
> >> we should figure out a way to get rid of last_rx all together. It only
> >> seems to be used by bonding, and the bonding driver could do the calculation
> >> in its receive handling.
> > Not related to the regression: bug will be just papered out by this
> > changes. Having bonding on loopback is somewhat strange idea, but still
> > this kind of changes is an attempt to make a good play in the bad game:
> > this loopback-only optimization does not fix the problem.
> 
> Just to be clear, this change was not meant to be committed.
> It already was rejected by David some years ago (2005, and 2006)
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/netdev@vger.kernel.org/msg07382.html

However, I do like Stephen's suggestion that maybe we can get rid of
this ->last_rx thing by encapsulating the logic completely in the
bonding driver.

> If you read my mail, I was *only* saying that tbench results can be sensible to
> cache line ping pongs. tbench is a crazy benchmark, and only is a crazy benchmark.
> 
> Optimizing linux for tbench sake would be .... crazy ?

Unlike dbench I think tbench is worth cranking up as much as possible.

It doesn't have a huge memory working set, it just writes mostly small
messages over a TCP socket back and forth, and does a lot of blocking

And I think we'd like all of those operating to run as fast as possible.

When Tridge first wrote tbench I would see the expected things at the
top of the profiles.  Things like tcp_ack(), copy to/from user, and
perhaps SLAB.

Things have changed considerably.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-10-31 23:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-09 23:17 [tbench regression fixes]: digging out smelly deadmen Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-10  5:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-10  8:09 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-10  9:15   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 11:31     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-10 11:40       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 13:25         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-10 11:42       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 11:55         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-10 11:57           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-24 22:25             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-24 23:31               ` David Miller
2008-10-25  4:05                 ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25  5:15                   ` David Miller
2008-10-25  5:53                     ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25 11:13                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-26  3:55                   ` David Miller
2008-10-26 11:33                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-25  3:37               ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25  5:16                 ` David Miller
2008-10-25  5:58                   ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25  6:53                     ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25  7:24                       ` David Miller
2008-10-25  7:52                         ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25 23:10                         ` Jiri Kosina
2008-10-26  8:46                           ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-26  9:00                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-26  9:11                               ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-26  9:27                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-26  9:34                                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-26 10:05                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-27  2:34                                       ` David Miller
2008-10-27  9:30                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-27  9:57                                           ` David Miller
2008-10-26 10:23                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-26 19:03                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-10-27  9:29                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-27 10:42                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2008-10-27 11:27                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-27 11:33                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-10-27 12:06                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-27 13:42                                           ` Jiri Kosina
2008-10-27 14:17                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-27 18:33                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-27 19:39                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-27 19:48                                             ` David Miller
2008-10-28 10:24                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-28 10:37                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-28 10:57                                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-28 11:02                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-28 14:00                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-28 15:22                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-29  9:14                                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-29  9:50                                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-01 12:51                                                       ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2008-10-29  9:59                                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-26  9:15                               ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25  7:19                     ` David Miller
2008-10-25  7:33                       ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-27 17:26                         ` Rick Jones
2008-10-27 19:11                           ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-27 19:18                             ` Rick Jones
2008-10-27 19:44                               ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-26 11:29               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-26 12:23                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-30 18:15                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-30 18:40                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-30 18:43                     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30 18:56                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30 19:01                     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-10-31  7:52                       ` David Miller
2008-10-31  9:40                         ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-10-31  9:51                           ` David Miller
2008-10-31 10:42                             ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-10-31 10:45                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-31 11:01                               ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-10-31 11:10                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-31 11:15                                   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-10-31 19:57                               ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-31 20:10                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-31 21:03                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-31 21:18                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-31 23:51                                     ` David Miller [this message]
2008-10-31 23:56                                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-11-01  0:16                                         ` Jay Vosburgh
2008-11-02  4:40                                           ` David Miller
2008-11-04  2:13                                             ` [PATCH net-next-2.6] bonding, net: Move last_rx update into bonding recv logic Jay Vosburgh
2008-11-04  2:17                                               ` David Miller
2008-10-10 10:13 ` [tbench regression fixes]: digging out smelly deadmen Mike Galbraith
2008-10-11 13:13   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-11 14:39     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-11 18:13       ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-12  6:02         ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-12  6:33           ` Mike Galbraith

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