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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Hollis Blanchard <hollisb@us.ibm.com>
Cc: aliguori@us.ibm.com, markmc@redhat.com, xiantao.zhang@intel.com,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [v2] linux: virtio: Standardize virtio's concept of "page size"
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:26:57 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200811130844.57749.rusty@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1226506591.19156.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thursday 13 November 2008 02:46:31 Hollis Blanchard wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 22:51 +1030, Rusty Russell wrote:
> > On Tuesday 11 November 2008 10:07:09 Hollis Blanchard wrote:
> > > Both sides of the virtio interface must agree about how big a pfn
> > > really is. This is particularly an issue on architectures where the
> > > page size is configurable (e.g. PowerPC, IA64) -- the interface must be
> > > independent of PAGE_SHIFT.
> > >
> > > Currently there are three distinct problems:
> > > * The shift count used when passing the physical address of the ring to
> > > a PCI-based back end.
> > > * The ring layout itself is padded to span at least two "pages".
> > > * The balloon driver operates in units of "pages".
> >
> > Hi Hollis,
> >
> >    The more I thought about this, the more I think we're not solving this
> > as neatly as we could.  The trigger was noting that we're breaking the
> > userspace API (vring_size and vring_init are exposed to userspace): I
> > know that qemu cut & pastes, but that's no excuse.
> >
> >    So instead, I've introduced separate constants for each use.  Yes,
> > all these constants are 12/4096.  But just to be contrary, at the end
> > is a patch to change lguest to 128.  And there's no reason this
> > couldn't change in future using some guest detection scheme.
>
> OK. I thought it was simpler to just say "4KB everywhere" in all aspects
> of the virtio interface, but I'm happy as long as we solve the problem
> somehow. :)

It is simpler, yes, but we can take this opportunity to deconflate them and 
make things clearer and better than the current code, not just "fix" it.

Note that I still don't have a balloon patch: want to send me one?

Thanks,
Rusty.

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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Hollis Blanchard <hollisb@us.ibm.com>
Cc: aliguori@us.ibm.com, markmc@redhat.com, xiantao.zhang@intel.com,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [v2] linux: virtio: Standardize virtio's concept of "page size"
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:44:57 +1030	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200811130844.57749.rusty@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1226506591.19156.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thursday 13 November 2008 02:46:31 Hollis Blanchard wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 22:51 +1030, Rusty Russell wrote:
> > On Tuesday 11 November 2008 10:07:09 Hollis Blanchard wrote:
> > > Both sides of the virtio interface must agree about how big a pfn
> > > really is. This is particularly an issue on architectures where the
> > > page size is configurable (e.g. PowerPC, IA64) -- the interface must be
> > > independent of PAGE_SHIFT.
> > >
> > > Currently there are three distinct problems:
> > > * The shift count used when passing the physical address of the ring to
> > > a PCI-based back end.
> > > * The ring layout itself is padded to span at least two "pages".
> > > * The balloon driver operates in units of "pages".
> >
> > Hi Hollis,
> >
> >    The more I thought about this, the more I think we're not solving this
> > as neatly as we could.  The trigger was noting that we're breaking the
> > userspace API (vring_size and vring_init are exposed to userspace): I
> > know that qemu cut & pastes, but that's no excuse.
> >
> >    So instead, I've introduced separate constants for each use.  Yes,
> > all these constants are 12/4096.  But just to be contrary, at the end
> > is a patch to change lguest to 128.  And there's no reason this
> > couldn't change in future using some guest detection scheme.
>
> OK. I thought it was simpler to just say "4KB everywhere" in all aspects
> of the virtio interface, but I'm happy as long as we solve the problem
> somehow. :)

It is simpler, yes, but we can take this opportunity to deconflate them and 
make things clearer and better than the current code, not just "fix" it.

Note that I still don't have a balloon patch: want to send me one?

Thanks,
Rusty.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-12 22:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <fa3de103a4e7d70354e0.1226360229@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found] ` <200811112347.27844.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
2008-11-11 17:18   ` [PATCH] [v2] linux: virtio: Standardize virtio's concept of Hollis Blanchard
2008-11-11 17:18     ` [PATCH] [v2] linux: virtio: Standardize virtio's concept of "page size" Hollis Blanchard
2008-11-11 17:21     ` [PATCH] [v2] linux: virtio: Standardize virtio's concept of "page Avi Kivity
2008-11-11 17:21       ` [PATCH] [v2] linux: virtio: Standardize virtio's concept of "page size" Avi Kivity
2008-11-12 12:21 ` Rusty Russell
2008-11-12 12:33   ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]   ` <200811122251.14159.rusty-8n+1lVoiYb80n/F98K4Iww@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-12 16:16     ` [PATCH] [v2] linux: virtio: Standardize virtio's concept of Hollis Blanchard
2008-11-12 16:16       ` [PATCH] [v2] linux: virtio: Standardize virtio's concept of "page size" Hollis Blanchard
2008-11-12 22:14       ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2008-11-12 22:26         ` Rusty Russell
2008-11-13 21:48         ` [PATCH] [v2] linux: virtio: Standardize virtio's concept of Hollis Blanchard
2008-11-13 21:48           ` [PATCH] [v2] linux: virtio: Standardize virtio's concept of "page size" Hollis Blanchard
     [not found]           ` <1226612913.5339.42.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-14  1:27             ` Rusty Russell
2008-11-14  1:39               ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]         ` <200811130844.57749.rusty-8n+1lVoiYb80n/F98K4Iww@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-13 21:49           ` [PATCH] [v2] linux: virtio: Standardize virtio's concept of Hollis Blanchard
2008-11-13 21:49             ` [PATCH] [v2] linux: virtio: Standardize virtio's concept of "page size" Hollis Blanchard

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