From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH -mm] vmscan: bail out of page reclaim after swap_cluster_max pages
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:18:28 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081114091828.48fc4b67.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <491D8CEC.5050106@redhat.com>
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:36:28 -0500 Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:
> Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:12:08 -0500 Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sometimes the VM spends the first few priority rounds rotating back
> >> referenced pages and submitting IO. Once we get to a lower priority,
> >> sometimes the VM ends up freeing way too many pages.
> >>
> >> The fix is relatively simple: in shrink_zone() we can check how many
> >> pages we have already freed and break out of the loop.
> >>
> >> However, in order to do this we do need to know how many pages we already
> >> freed, so move nr_reclaimed into scan_control.
> >
> > There was a reason for not doing this, but I forget what it was. It might require
> > some changelog archeology. iirc it was to do with balancing scanning rates
> > between the various things which we scan.
>
> I've seen worse symptoms without this code, though. Pretty
> much all 2.6 kernels show bad behaviour occasionally.
>
> Sometimes the VM gets in such a state where multiple processes
> cannot find anything readily evictable, and they all end up
> at a lower priority level.
>
> This can cause them to evict more than half of everything from
> memory, before breaking out of the pageout loop and swapping
> things back in. On my 2GB desktop, I've seen as much as 1200MB
> memory free due to such a swapout storm. It is possible more is
> free at the top of the cycle, but X and gnome-terminal and top
> and everything else is stuck, so that's not actually visible :)
>
> I am not convinced that a scanning imbalance is more serious.
I'm not as sure as you are that it was done this way to avoid scanning
imbalance. I don't remember the reasons :(
It isn't necessarily true that this change and <whatever that was> are
mutually exclusive things.
> Of course, one thing we could do is exempt kswapd from this check.
> During light reclaim, kswapd does most of the eviction so scanning
> should remain balanced. Having one process fall down to a lower
> priority level is also not a big problem.
>
> As long as the direct reclaim processes do not also fall into the
> same trap, the situation should be manageable.
>
> Does that sound reasonable to you?
I'll need to find some time to go dig through the changelogs.
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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH -mm] vmscan: bail out of page reclaim after swap_cluster_max pages
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:18:28 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081114091828.48fc4b67.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <491D8CEC.5050106@redhat.com>
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:36:28 -0500 Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:
> Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:12:08 -0500 Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sometimes the VM spends the first few priority rounds rotating back
> >> referenced pages and submitting IO. Once we get to a lower priority,
> >> sometimes the VM ends up freeing way too many pages.
> >>
> >> The fix is relatively simple: in shrink_zone() we can check how many
> >> pages we have already freed and break out of the loop.
> >>
> >> However, in order to do this we do need to know how many pages we already
> >> freed, so move nr_reclaimed into scan_control.
> >
> > There was a reason for not doing this, but I forget what it was. It might require
> > some changelog archeology. iirc it was to do with balancing scanning rates
> > between the various things which we scan.
>
> I've seen worse symptoms without this code, though. Pretty
> much all 2.6 kernels show bad behaviour occasionally.
>
> Sometimes the VM gets in such a state where multiple processes
> cannot find anything readily evictable, and they all end up
> at a lower priority level.
>
> This can cause them to evict more than half of everything from
> memory, before breaking out of the pageout loop and swapping
> things back in. On my 2GB desktop, I've seen as much as 1200MB
> memory free due to such a swapout storm. It is possible more is
> free at the top of the cycle, but X and gnome-terminal and top
> and everything else is stuck, so that's not actually visible :)
>
> I am not convinced that a scanning imbalance is more serious.
I'm not as sure as you are that it was done this way to avoid scanning
imbalance. I don't remember the reasons :(
It isn't necessarily true that this change and <whatever that was> are
mutually exclusive things.
> Of course, one thing we could do is exempt kswapd from this check.
> During light reclaim, kswapd does most of the eviction so scanning
> should remain balanced. Having one process fall down to a lower
> priority level is also not a big problem.
>
> As long as the direct reclaim processes do not also fall into the
> same trap, the situation should be manageable.
>
> Does that sound reasonable to you?
I'll need to find some time to go dig through the changelogs.
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Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-11-13 22:12 [PATCH -mm] vmscan: bail out of page reclaim after swap_cluster_max pages Rik van Riel
2008-11-13 22:12 ` Rik van Riel
2008-11-14 0:51 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-11-14 0:51 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-11-14 3:27 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-14 3:27 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-14 14:36 ` Rik van Riel
2008-11-14 14:36 ` Rik van Riel
2008-11-14 17:18 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2008-11-14 17:18 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-16 7:43 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-11-16 7:43 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-11-16 7:54 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-16 7:54 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-16 7:56 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-11-16 7:56 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-11-16 8:02 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-16 8:02 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-22 10:22 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-11-22 10:22 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-11-22 16:57 ` Rik van Riel
2008-11-22 16:57 ` Rik van Riel
2008-11-24 19:12 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-11-24 19:12 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-11-24 19:18 ` Rik van Riel
2008-11-24 19:18 ` Rik van Riel
2008-11-16 7:38 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-11-16 7:38 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-11-17 0:38 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-17 0:38 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-17 3:43 ` Balbir Singh
2008-11-17 3:43 ` Balbir Singh
2008-11-19 16:54 ` Mel Gorman
2008-11-19 16:54 ` Mel Gorman
2008-11-21 11:59 ` Petr Tesarik
2008-11-21 11:59 ` Petr Tesarik
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