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From: Andrew Morton <akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
To: Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: john-jueV0HHMeujJJrXXpGQQMAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org,
	arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org,
	mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org,
	rlove-L7G0xEPcOZbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	pavel-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org,
	davidn-KzQzY1MbaKjAHznzqCTclw@public.gmane.org,
	Eric Paris <eparis-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [take2] Inotify: nested attributes support.
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:38:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081126003825.2b9a92be.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081126082936.GB17525-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:29:36 +0300 Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:15:38AM -0800, Andrew Morton (akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org) wrote:
> > OK, so we have a super-duper framework which will allow us to add pids
> > (and other things) to inotify messages.
> 
> Yup :)
> 
> > This still doesn't provide a reason for anyone to be interested in the
> > code!  Why do we want pids in inotify messages?
>  
> I actually cared only about myself :)
> I started the thread and implementation, because my application has to
> differentiate IO made by itself and any IO made by system (another
> users, crons, whatever else), inotify did not give me that info, so I
> extended it. As of others: PID/TID may be used by watching applications
> to reduce own load to not process own IO, things like beagle may show
> who actually made changes into the file.

hrm.  Well this is the sort of information which reviewers want to know
all about before looking at an implementation.

> > And how does this work give that pids are (no longer) system-wide unique?
> 
> It gets pids from the caller's task_struct (via current), so its data is
> as unique as process calling getpid() or syscall(__NR_gettid).

That means that the code delivers non-unique process identifiers to
userspace.  A client gets pid=42 but there are seven processes on the
machine with that pid.  Problem.


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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr@ioremap.net>
Cc: john@johnmccutchan.com, arnd@arndb.de, mtk.manpages@gmail.com,
	hch@lst.de, rlove@rlove.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pavel@suse.cz,
	davidn@davidnewall.com, Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [take2] Inotify: nested attributes support.
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:38:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081126003825.2b9a92be.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081126082936.GB17525@ioremap.net>

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:29:36 +0300 Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr@ioremap.net> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:15:38AM -0800, Andrew Morton (akpm@linux-foundation.org) wrote:
> > OK, so we have a super-duper framework which will allow us to add pids
> > (and other things) to inotify messages.
> 
> Yup :)
> 
> > This still doesn't provide a reason for anyone to be interested in the
> > code!  Why do we want pids in inotify messages?
>  
> I actually cared only about myself :)
> I started the thread and implementation, because my application has to
> differentiate IO made by itself and any IO made by system (another
> users, crons, whatever else), inotify did not give me that info, so I
> extended it. As of others: PID/TID may be used by watching applications
> to reduce own load to not process own IO, things like beagle may show
> who actually made changes into the file.

hrm.  Well this is the sort of information which reviewers want to know
all about before looking at an implementation.

> > And how does this work give that pids are (no longer) system-wide unique?
> 
> It gets pids from the caller's task_struct (via current), so its data is
> as unique as process calling getpid() or syscall(__NR_gettid).

That means that the code delivers non-unique process identifiers to
userspace.  A client gets pid=42 but there are seven processes on the
machine with that pid.  Problem.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-11-26  8:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-25 19:42 [take2] Inotify: nested attributes support Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-25 19:42 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found] ` <20081125194234.GA24449-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-25 19:44   ` [take2] Inotify: nested attributes test application Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-25 19:44     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-26  0:24   ` [take2] Inotify: nested attributes support Andrew Morton
2008-11-26  0:24     ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]     ` <20081125162434.4feacbbf.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-26  7:42       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-26  7:42         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]         ` <20081126074239.GA17525-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-26  8:15           ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-26  8:15             ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]             ` <20081126001538.4b1c7c99.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-26  8:29               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-26  8:29                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                 ` <20081126082936.GB17525-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-26  8:38                   ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2008-11-26  8:38                     ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]                     ` <20081126003825.2b9a92be.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-26  8:46                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-26  8:46                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-26 12:47                   ` David Newall
2008-11-26 12:47                     ` David Newall
     [not found]                     ` <492D4560.8000302-KzQzY1MbaKjAHznzqCTclw@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-26 12:51                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-26 12:51                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                         ` <20081126125113.GA8921-i6C2adt8DTjR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-26 13:03                           ` David Newall
2008-11-26 13:03                             ` David Newall
     [not found]                             ` <492D4927.8040204-KzQzY1MbaKjAHznzqCTclw@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-26 13:15                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-26 13:15                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-04  8:43                 ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                   ` <20081204084309.GA2072-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-04  9:09                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-04  9:09                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov

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