From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>,
kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
mtk.manpages@gmail.com, rdunlap@xenotime.net,
linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: document ext3 requirements
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:06:34 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090104220634.GD22958@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200901041349.49906.rob@landley.net>
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 01:49:49PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
>
> Want to document the granularity issues with flash, while you're at it?
>
> An inherent problem with using flash as a normal block device is that the
> flash erase size is bigger than most filesystem sector sizes. So when you
> request a write, it may erase and rewrite the next 64k, 128k, or even a couple
> megabytes on the really _big_ ones.
>
> If you lose power in the middle of that, ext3 won't notice that data in the
> "sectors" _after_ the one your were trying to write to got trashed.
True enough, although the newer SSD's will have this problem addressed
(although at least initially, they are **far** more costly than the
el-cheapo 32GB SD cards you can find at the checkout counter at Fry's
alongside battery-powered shavers and trashy ipod speakers).
I will stress again, that most of this doesn't belong in
Documentation/filesystems/ext3.txt, as most of this is *not*
ext3-specific.
- Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-01-04 22:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-01-03 12:38 document ext3 requirements Pavel Machek
2009-01-03 21:17 ` Martin MOKREJŠ
2009-01-03 22:06 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-03 22:17 ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03 22:29 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-03 23:01 ` Martin MOKREJŠ
2009-01-03 23:38 ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03 23:50 ` Martin MOKREJŠ
2009-01-03 23:58 ` Robert Hancock
2009-01-04 0:08 ` Martin MOKREJŠ
2009-01-04 21:49 ` Ingo Oeser
2009-01-04 0:00 ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-04 0:11 ` Martin MOKREJŠ
2009-01-04 0:41 ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-04 3:52 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-04 14:24 ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-04 18:40 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-04 19:21 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2009-01-04 19:36 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-04 19:51 ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-04 21:55 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-04 22:06 ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-04 22:42 ` Bron Gondwana
2009-01-05 3:22 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 0:19 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-05 2:55 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 19:56 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-05 19:16 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-06 19:20 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-06 10:08 ` Matthias Andree
2009-01-06 15:23 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-03 23:12 ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-06 10:06 ` Matthias Andree
2009-01-04 2:32 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-04 22:33 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-04 22:34 ` [patch] document ext3 a bit better Pavel Machek
2009-01-05 14:57 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-06 9:21 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-09 23:24 ` Jiri Kosina
2009-01-09 23:36 ` Randy Dunlap
2009-01-09 23:47 ` Jiri Kosina
2009-01-04 13:35 ` document ext3 requirements Alexander E. Patrakov
2009-01-04 13:53 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-04 18:21 ` Michael Tokarev
2009-01-04 18:38 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-04 22:37 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-04 23:58 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-05 11:43 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 11:59 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 20:10 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-04 19:49 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 22:06 ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2009-01-04 22:25 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-04 23:00 ` [patch] " Pavel Machek
2009-01-05 2:42 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-05 9:54 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-04 23:07 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-05 1:38 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 22:55 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-05 0:16 ` david
2009-01-05 9:38 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-05 1:50 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-05 3:20 ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-01-05 9:45 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-05 11:28 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-05 19:15 ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-01-05 20:19 ` Theodore Tso
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2009-01-04 19:08 ` Sitsofe Wheeler
2009-01-04 19:31 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-04 22:40 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-04 23:30 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-05 3:49 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-05 4:31 ` Robert Hancock
2009-01-05 5:00 ` david
2009-01-05 11:19 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-05 19:00 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-05 19:27 ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-01-06 10:41 ` Matthias Andree
2009-01-06 15:30 ` Theodore Tso
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2009-01-06 15:40 ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-06 15:57 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-06 17:31 ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-06 19:31 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-27 13:24 ` Thierry Vignaud
2009-01-27 13:37 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-06 10:36 ` Matthias Andree
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2009-01-04 23:13 ` Sitsofe Wheeler
2009-01-05 2:51 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-05 3:33 ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-01-05 4:02 ` david
2009-01-05 3:52 ` Rob Landley
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2009-01-05 20:36 ` Sitsofe Wheeler
2009-01-05 23:09 ` Theodore Tso
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2009-01-05 22:25 ` Sitsofe Wheeler
2009-01-06 4:08 ` Rob Landley
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