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From: Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmail.fm>
To: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: "Theodore Tso" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"Duane Griffin" <duaneg@dghda.com>,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,
	"Martin MOKREJŠ" <mmokrejs@ribosome.natur.cuni.cz>,
	"Pavel Machek" <pavel@suse.cz>,
	"kernel list" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@osdl.org>,
	mtk.manpages@gmail.com, rdunlap@xenotime.net,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: document ext3 requirements
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:42:33 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090104224233.GA9531@brong.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0901042015230.31141@anakin>

On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 08:21:06PM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Jan 2009, Theodore Tso wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 02:24:43PM +0000, Duane Griffin wrote:
> > > > Is there a way using md/dm/lvm etc to make the source partition R/O and
> > > > replay the journal onto a CoW snapshop?  Admittedly, not easy to do inside
> > > > the 'mount' command itself, but at least it might be workable for LiveCD R/O
> > > > mounts and forensics work, where you can *tell* beforehand that's what you
> > > > want and can jump through setup games before doing the mount...
> > > 
> > > Yes, something like that is best practice, as I understand it. The
> > > LiveCD init scripts could check whether they are about to R/O mount an
> > > ext[34] filesystem needing recovery and either refuse with a useful
> > > message to the user, or even automatically create and mount a COW
> > > snapshot, as you described. They'd still need to warn the user though,
> > > since things like remounting R/W wouldn't work as expected.
> > 
> > So what's the use case where people want to be able to mount a
> > filesystem needing recovery read/only without running the journal?
> 
> As mentioned before, suspending a laptop (running from hdd), running a live CD,
> and expecting everything to work fine when resuming from hdd?

Any particular reason why suspend doesn't run the journal during
shutdown and leave a clean filesystem?  It shouldn't take that
long surely.

I know it doesn't solve the "it really just crashed" problem, but
you don't tend to unsuspend from a crash anyway.

Bron ( just curious )

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-01-04 22:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-03 12:38 document ext3 requirements Pavel Machek
2009-01-03 21:17 ` Martin MOKREJŠ
2009-01-03 22:06   ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-03 22:17   ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03 22:29     ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-03 23:01       ` Martin MOKREJŠ
2009-01-03 23:38         ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03 23:50           ` Martin MOKREJŠ
2009-01-03 23:58             ` Robert Hancock
2009-01-04  0:08               ` Martin MOKREJŠ
2009-01-04 21:49               ` Ingo Oeser
2009-01-04  0:00             ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-04  0:11               ` Martin MOKREJŠ
2009-01-04  0:41                 ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-04  3:52                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-04 14:24                     ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-04 18:40                       ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-04 19:21                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2009-01-04 19:36                           ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-04 19:51                             ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-04 21:55                               ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-04 22:06                                 ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-04 22:42                           ` Bron Gondwana [this message]
2009-01-05  3:22                           ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04  0:19         ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-05  2:55           ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 19:56         ` Rob Landley
2009-01-05 19:16           ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-06 19:20             ` Rob Landley
2009-01-06 10:08         ` Matthias Andree
2009-01-06 15:23           ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-03 23:12       ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-06 10:06       ` Matthias Andree
2009-01-04  2:32 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-04 22:33   ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-04 22:34   ` [patch] document ext3 a bit better Pavel Machek
2009-01-05 14:57     ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-06  9:21       ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-09 23:24         ` Jiri Kosina
2009-01-09 23:36           ` Randy Dunlap
2009-01-09 23:47             ` Jiri Kosina
2009-01-04 13:35 ` document ext3 requirements Alexander E. Patrakov
2009-01-04 13:53   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-04 18:21   ` Michael Tokarev
2009-01-04 18:38   ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-04 22:37     ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-04 23:58       ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-05 11:43     ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 11:59       ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 20:10   ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-04 19:49 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 22:06   ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-04 22:25     ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-04 23:00     ` [patch] " Pavel Machek
2009-01-05  2:42       ` Rob Landley
2009-01-05  9:54         ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-04 23:07     ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-05  1:38     ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 22:55   ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-05  0:16     ` david
2009-01-05  9:38       ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-05  1:50     ` Rob Landley
2009-01-05  3:20     ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-01-05  9:45       ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-05 11:28         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-05 19:15         ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-01-05 20:19           ` Theodore Tso
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2009-01-04 19:08           ` Sitsofe Wheeler
2009-01-04 19:31             ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-04 22:40               ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-04 23:30                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-05  3:49                   ` Rob Landley
2009-01-05  4:31                     ` Robert Hancock
2009-01-05  5:00                     ` david
2009-01-05 11:19                     ` Alan Cox
2009-01-05 19:00                       ` Rob Landley
2009-01-05 19:27                         ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-01-06 10:41                           ` Matthias Andree
2009-01-06 15:30                             ` Theodore Tso
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2009-01-06 15:40                               ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-06 15:57                                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-06 17:31                                   ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-06 19:31                                   ` Rob Landley
2009-01-27 13:24                       ` Thierry Vignaud
2009-01-27 13:37                         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-06 10:36                     ` Matthias Andree
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2009-01-04 23:13     ` Sitsofe Wheeler
2009-01-05  2:51       ` Rob Landley
2009-01-05  3:33         ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-01-05  4:02         ` david
2009-01-05  3:52           ` Rob Landley
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     [not found]           ` <fa.377DMq2lPMyaHxadPnApFSJFoCg@ifi.uio.no>
2009-01-05 20:36             ` Sitsofe Wheeler
2009-01-05 23:09               ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]     ` <fa.ucJLoSQwk9OAj6T6x60tbWaiTAo@ifi.uio.no>
2009-01-05 22:25       ` Sitsofe Wheeler
2009-01-06  4:08         ` Rob Landley

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