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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Dmitry Adamushko <dmitry.adamushko@gmail.com>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>, Chuck Lever <cel@citi.umich.edu>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [RFC v4] wait: prevent waiter starvation in __wait_on_bit_lock
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:05:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090123110500.GA12684@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b647ffbd0901230207u642e24cdg98700aa68ed1aa33@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/23, Dmitry Adamushko wrote:
>
> 2009/1/23 Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>:
> > On 01/23, Dmitry Adamushko wrote:
> >>
> >> In short, wq->lock is a sync. mechanism in this case. The scheme is as follows:
> >>
> >> our side:
> >>
> >> [ finish_wait() ]
> >>
> >> lock(wq->lock);
> >
> > But we can skip lock(wq->lock), afaics.
> >
> > Without rmb(), test_bit() can be re-ordered with list_empty_careful()
> > in finish_wait() and even with __set_task_state(TASK_RUNNING).
>
> But taking into account the constraints of this special case, namely
> (1), we can't skip lock(wq->lock).
>
> (1) "the next contender is us"
>
> In this particular situation, we are only interested in the case when
> we were woken up by __wake_up_bit().

Yes,

> that means we are _on_ the 'wq' list when we do finish_wait() -> we do
> take the 'wq->lock'.

Hmm. No?

We are doing exclusive wait, and we use autoremove_wake_function().
If we were woken, we are removed from ->task_list.

> Moreover, imagine the following case (roughly similar to finish_wait()):
>
> if (LOAD(a) == 1) {
>     // do something here
>     mb();
> }
>
> LOAD(b);
>
> Can LOAD(b) be reordered with LOAD(a)?

Well, I think yes it can. But I'd suggest you to ask somebody else ;)

So, without rmb() I think it is theoretically possible that we read
test_bit() before we get list_empty_careful() == T.

Oleg.


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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Dmitry Adamushko <dmitry.adamushko@gmail.com>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>, Chuck Lever <cel@citi.umich.edu>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [RFC v4] wait: prevent waiter starvation in __wait_on_bit_lock
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:05:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090123110500.GA12684@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b647ffbd0901230207u642e24cdg98700aa68ed1aa33@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/23, Dmitry Adamushko wrote:
>
> 2009/1/23 Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>:
> > On 01/23, Dmitry Adamushko wrote:
> >>
> >> In short, wq->lock is a sync. mechanism in this case. The scheme is as follows:
> >>
> >> our side:
> >>
> >> [ finish_wait() ]
> >>
> >> lock(wq->lock);
> >
> > But we can skip lock(wq->lock), afaics.
> >
> > Without rmb(), test_bit() can be re-ordered with list_empty_careful()
> > in finish_wait() and even with __set_task_state(TASK_RUNNING).
>
> But taking into account the constraints of this special case, namely
> (1), we can't skip lock(wq->lock).
>
> (1) "the next contender is us"
>
> In this particular situation, we are only interested in the case when
> we were woken up by __wake_up_bit().

Yes,

> that means we are _on_ the 'wq' list when we do finish_wait() -> we do
> take the 'wq->lock'.

Hmm. No?

We are doing exclusive wait, and we use autoremove_wake_function().
If we were woken, we are removed from ->task_list.

> Moreover, imagine the following case (roughly similar to finish_wait()):
>
> if (LOAD(a) == 1) {
>     // do something here
>     mb();
> }
>
> LOAD(b);
>
> Can LOAD(b) be reordered with LOAD(a)?

Well, I think yes it can. But I'd suggest you to ask somebody else ;)

So, without rmb() I think it is theoretically possible that we read
test_bit() before we get list_empty_careful() == T.

Oleg.

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-23 11:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-17 21:51 + lock_page_killable-avoid-lost-wakeups.patch added to -mm tree Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-18  1:38 ` [PATCH v3] wait: prevent waiter starvation in __wait_on_bit_lock Johannes Weiner
2009-01-18  1:38   ` Johannes Weiner
2009-01-18  2:32   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-18  2:32     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-20 20:31     ` Johannes Weiner
2009-01-20 20:31       ` Johannes Weiner
2009-01-21 14:36       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-21 14:36         ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-21 21:38         ` [RFC v4] " Johannes Weiner
2009-01-21 21:38           ` Johannes Weiner
2009-01-22 20:25           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-22 20:25             ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-23  0:26             ` Dmitry Adamushko
2009-01-23  0:26               ` Dmitry Adamushko
2009-01-23  0:47               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-23  0:47                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-23 10:07                 ` Dmitry Adamushko
2009-01-23 10:07                   ` Dmitry Adamushko
2009-01-23 11:05                   ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2009-01-23 11:05                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-23 12:36                     ` Dmitry Adamushko
2009-01-23 12:36                       ` Dmitry Adamushko
2009-01-23  9:59             ` Johannes Weiner
2009-01-23  9:59               ` Johannes Weiner
2009-01-23 11:35               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-23 11:35                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-23 13:30                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-23 13:30                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-26 21:59                   ` [RFC v5] wait: prevent exclusive waiter starvation Johannes Weiner
2009-01-26 21:59                     ` Johannes Weiner
2009-01-27  3:23                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-27  3:23                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-27 19:34                       ` [RFC v6] " Johannes Weiner
2009-01-27 19:34                         ` Johannes Weiner
2009-01-27 20:05                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-27 20:05                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-27 22:31                           ` Johannes Weiner
2009-01-27 22:31                             ` Johannes Weiner
2009-01-28  9:14                           ` [RFC v7] " Johannes Weiner
2009-01-28  9:14                             ` Johannes Weiner
2009-01-29  4:42                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-29  4:42                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-29  7:37                               ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-29  7:37                                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-29  8:31                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-29  8:31                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-01-29  9:11                                   ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-29  9:11                                     ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-29 14:34                                     ` Chris Mason
2009-01-29 14:34                                       ` Chris Mason
2009-02-02 15:47                                       ` Chris Mason
2009-02-02 15:47                                         ` Chris Mason
2009-01-23 19:24                 ` [RFC v4] wait: prevent waiter starvation in __wait_on_bit_lock Johannes Weiner
2009-01-23 19:24                   ` Johannes Weiner

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