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From: Thomas Jarosch <thomas.jarosch@intra2net.com>
To: Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@medozas.de>
Cc: hadi@cyberus.ca, Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>,
	Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>,
	netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] libxtables: Dont initialize global xt_params
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:41:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200902121641.54430.thomas.jarosch@intra2net.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.00.0902121612200.5658@fbirervta.pbzchgretzou.qr>

On Thursday, 12. February 2009 16:14:23 Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> >1. Other people which don't know this "trick" will think
> >the variable is not initialized -> Hard to read.
>
> Well, maybe then they should get a better C book --
> automatic initialization is said to be(*) part of the C standard.
> And one should know the standard of a language IMHO.
>
> (*) Because it is not free, it remains a saga from people who do
> have access to it. :p

That is completly true. OTOH avoid the dark corners of the language.

> >2. If that variable gets moved f.e. inside a function, it will become
> >uninitialized. Also I'm not sure if the savings are even measurable...
>
> It seems to be for the Linux kernel. Especially when you happen
> to have large globals (both a lot of them, and large; e.g.
> foo[NR_CUPS]) this becomes a concern.

Well, I guess that's a job for the compiler/optimizer. I did a quick test by 
writing two versions of a small program initializing a static variable with 
zero and one version that doesn't (=zeroed in .bss). Guess what,
the size of the resulting executable stays the same.

When I initialize the variable with a non-zero value, then the program size 
increases. I tested "-O2", "-O0" and "-Os" and the results where the same.
Feel free to look at the assembler output, though I guess this optimization
is not measurable and makes the code harder to read :o)

Thomas


  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-12 15:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-12 14:16 [PATCH] libxtables: Dont initialize global xt_params jamal
2009-02-12 15:09 ` Thomas Jarosch
2009-02-12 15:14   ` Jan Engelhardt
2009-02-12 15:41     ` Thomas Jarosch [this message]
2009-02-13 13:49       ` jamal
2009-02-13 18:11         ` Thomas Jarosch
2009-02-16  4:51       ` Philip Craig
2009-02-16 10:38         ` Patrick McHardy
2009-02-17 14:46           ` Thomas Jarosch
2009-02-17 14:54             ` Patrick McHardy
2009-02-12 16:39 ` jamal

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