From: Paul Brook <paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: devicetree-discuss-mnsaURCQ41sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
qemu-devel-qX2TKyscuCcdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:25:52 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200902131425.53137.paul@codesourcery.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871vu2pgq7.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
> Look, my goals are rather modest. I want to start where we are, put
> devices behind a nice abstract interface one by one, picking apart the
> pc.c hairball on the way. The idea is not to design the perfect,
> all-encompassing abstract device interface, just to capture what we
> need, and extend as we go. The abstract device interface makes a simple
> machine builder possible, driven by tree-structured configuration. That
> in turn makes it easier to make things configurable. Which can be
> expected to lead to more configurability, when and where there's a need
> for it.
>
> All this can be done in nice, safe baby steps. I don't need to come up
> with an all-singing machine description fit for a picky kernel before I
> can start doing something useful.
>
> Now, if you hand me such a configuration on a platter, I'd be a fool not
> to take it. The catch: I need one for a PC.
I suspect these two goals may be contradictory. The PC machine is so hairy
that you need a singing, dancing machine description to be able to describe
it.
OTOH if what you really want to do is configure the host binding side of
things, then as I've mentioned before, I see that as been somewhat separate
from the actual machine creation, and trying to combine the two is probably a
mistake. I really don't want users to have to hack the machine config just to
change the name of an image file.
Paul
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[not found] ` <87iqnh6kyv.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-11 18:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data Hollis Blanchard
2009-02-11 19:34 ` Blue Swirl
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2009-02-12 4:01 ` [Qemu-devel] " David Gibson
2009-02-12 10:26 ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-12 12:49 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-12 16:46 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-02-12 18:29 ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-12 23:58 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
[not found] ` <4994B7B6.80805-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 11:19 ` [Qemu-devel] " Markus Armbruster
[not found] ` <87prhnwltz.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 1:05 ` David Gibson
2009-02-12 23:35 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-12 23:58 ` Paul Brook
[not found] ` <200902122358.25864.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 0:32 ` [Qemu-devel] " Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-13 0:47 ` Jamie Lokier
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2009-02-13 1:46 ` [Qemu-devel] " David Gibson
2009-02-13 14:32 ` Lennart Sorensen
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2009-02-13 0:05 ` [Qemu-devel] " M. Warner Losh
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2009-02-12 17:52 ` Hollis Blanchard
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2009-02-12 18:53 ` Markus Armbruster
[not found] ` <87fxijwkpn.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-12 19:33 ` Mitch Bradley
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2009-02-13 0:59 ` David Gibson
2009-02-13 1:00 ` David Gibson
2009-02-13 0:43 ` David Gibson
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2009-02-13 2:11 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
[not found] ` <4994D6C8.5050004-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 2:17 ` David Gibson
[not found] ` <20090213021704.GA10476-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 2:45 ` DTS syntax and DTC patches (was: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data) Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
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2009-02-13 2:51 ` David Gibson
[not found] ` <20090213025101.GC10476-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 17:07 ` [coreboot] " ron minnich
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2009-02-20 2:29 ` David Gibson
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2009-02-20 3:32 ` ron minnich
2009-02-13 20:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data Jon Loeliger
2009-02-13 20:15 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
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2009-02-13 20:19 ` Jon Loeliger
2009-02-12 10:26 ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-12 12:36 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
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2009-02-13 0:37 ` [Qemu-devel] " David Gibson
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2009-02-13 11:26 ` Markus Armbruster
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2009-02-13 12:06 ` Paul Brook
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2009-02-13 12:48 ` Markus Armbruster
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2009-02-13 13:33 ` Paul Brook
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2009-02-13 14:13 ` Markus Armbruster
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2009-02-13 14:25 ` Paul Brook [this message]
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2009-02-13 15:47 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-02-13 18:36 ` Mitch Bradley
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2009-02-13 19:49 ` Markus Armbruster
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2009-02-13 19:51 ` Mitch Bradley
2009-02-16 3:42 ` David Gibson
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2009-02-16 16:39 ` Markus Armbruster
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2009-02-17 3:29 ` David Gibson
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2009-02-17 7:54 ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-17 17:44 ` Paul Brook
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2009-02-18 8:36 ` Markus Armbruster
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2009-02-11 18:57 ` Hollis Blanchard
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2009-02-12 3:50 ` David Gibson
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