From: Markus Armbruster <armbru-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Paul Brook <paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: devicetree-discuss-mnsaURCQ41sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
qemu-devel-qX2TKyscuCcdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:36:05 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wsboi1l6.fsf@pike.pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200902171744.34951.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org> (Paul Brook's message of "Tue\, 17 Feb 2009 17\:44\:34 +0000")
Paul Brook <paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org> writes:
>> > The machines I care for come with many optional and configurable parts.
>> > We select the basic machine type with command line option -M, and
>> > configure the rest with more command line options. I figure we want to
>> > keep supporting these options, at least for a while.
>> >
>> > I believe the best way to deal with that is start with a basic tree
>> > selected by -M, then modify it according to the other options. So,
>> > there's a fair amount of configuration tree mutation.
>>
>> Yeah, you're probably right. Although, in some cases the amount of
>> complex tree mutation can be cut down by thinking about things in the
>> right order. For example if you have a bunch of optional devices,
>> rather than adding them one by one (with all the required properties)
>> to the skeleton tree, you can instead have the skeleton tree be the
>> all-bells-and-whistles variant then delete the subtrees that aren't
>> present. libfdt even has a function to replace subtrees with nops
>> instead of eliding them, which means the offsets of other nodes won't
>> change.
>
> I'm not so sure this is a vital feature. The current commandline options only
> provide the absolute bare minimum mutation for a basic PC machine, and don't
> even do that particularly well. I'm inclined to say we should punt
> significant machine config modification/generation to an external tool.
I'm not exactly in love with the currrent command line myself. It's
just that I'm trying to make improvements in modest steps with minimal
disruption. I'd rather not start with throwing out the command line.
If the need for tree manipulation goes away, we can still ditch the
separate internal tree structure and go all FDT. My prototype already
has a converter to and from FDTs, to demonstrate that the internal tree
is just as treeish as an FDT.
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[not found] <87iqnh6kyv.fsf@pike.pond.sub.org>
[not found] ` <87iqnh6kyv.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-11 18:50 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data Hollis Blanchard
2009-02-11 19:34 ` Blue Swirl
[not found] ` <1234378228.28751.79.camel-EGjIuKC2qUdB0N6nvOmcJFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-12 4:01 ` [Qemu-devel] " David Gibson
2009-02-12 10:26 ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-12 12:49 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-12 16:46 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-02-12 18:29 ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-12 23:58 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
[not found] ` <4994B7B6.80805-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 11:19 ` [Qemu-devel] " Markus Armbruster
[not found] ` <87prhnwltz.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 1:05 ` David Gibson
2009-02-12 23:35 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-12 23:58 ` Paul Brook
[not found] ` <200902122358.25864.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 0:32 ` [Qemu-devel] " Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-13 0:47 ` Jamie Lokier
[not found] ` <4994BF93.2070409-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 1:46 ` [Qemu-devel] " David Gibson
2009-02-13 14:32 ` Lennart Sorensen
[not found] ` <4994B22E.6060608-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 0:05 ` [Qemu-devel] " M. Warner Losh
[not found] ` <87iqng0x3t.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-12 17:52 ` Hollis Blanchard
[not found] ` <1234461162.20305.16.camel-EGjIuKC2qUdB0N6nvOmcJFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-12 18:53 ` Markus Armbruster
[not found] ` <87fxijwkpn.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-12 19:33 ` Mitch Bradley
[not found] ` <499479A7.5090902-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 0:59 ` David Gibson
2009-02-13 1:00 ` David Gibson
2009-02-13 0:43 ` David Gibson
[not found] ` <20090213004305.GB8104-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 2:11 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
[not found] ` <4994D6C8.5050004-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 2:17 ` David Gibson
[not found] ` <20090213021704.GA10476-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 2:45 ` DTS syntax and DTC patches (was: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data) Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
[not found] ` <4994DED9.6020803-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 2:51 ` David Gibson
[not found] ` <20090213025101.GC10476-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 17:07 ` [coreboot] " ron minnich
[not found] ` <13426df10902130907m5c3452dpb8f4f2b72f8507b9@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <13426df10902130907m5c3452dpb8f4f2b72f8507b9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-20 2:29 ` David Gibson
[not found] ` <20090220022918.GA18332-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-20 3:32 ` ron minnich
2009-02-13 20:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data Jon Loeliger
2009-02-13 20:15 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
[not found] ` <4995D4EE.8030703-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 20:19 ` Jon Loeliger
2009-02-12 10:26 ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-12 12:36 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
[not found] ` <87k57w0x4r.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 0:37 ` [Qemu-devel] " David Gibson
[not found] ` <20090213003724.GA8104-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 11:26 ` Markus Armbruster
[not found] ` <87ab8qr317.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 12:06 ` Paul Brook
[not found] ` <200902131206.42427.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 12:48 ` Markus Armbruster
[not found] ` <87ocx6pkol.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 13:33 ` Paul Brook
[not found] ` <200902131333.47141.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 14:13 ` Markus Armbruster
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2009-02-13 14:25 ` Paul Brook
[not found] ` <200902131425.53137.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 15:47 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-02-13 18:36 ` Mitch Bradley
[not found] ` <4995BDC0.3040806-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 19:49 ` Markus Armbruster
[not found] ` <877i3uglqz.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 19:51 ` Mitch Bradley
2009-02-16 3:42 ` David Gibson
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2009-02-16 16:39 ` Markus Armbruster
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2009-02-17 3:29 ` David Gibson
[not found] ` <20090217032909.GA29225-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-17 7:54 ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-17 17:44 ` Paul Brook
[not found] ` <200902171744.34951.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-18 8:36 ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
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2009-02-11 18:57 ` Hollis Blanchard
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2009-02-12 3:50 ` David Gibson
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