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From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Lin Ming <ming.m.lin@intel.com>,
	Zhang Yanmin <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/20] Cleanup and optimise the page allocator
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:32:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090224143218.GA5364@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090223174947.GT26292@one.firstfloor.org>

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 06:49:48PM +0100, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > hmm, it would be ideal but I haven't looked too closely at how it could
> > be implemented. I thought first you could just associate a zonelist with
> 
> Yes like that. This was actually discussed during the initial cpuset
> implementation. I thought back then it would be better to do it
> elsewhere, but changed my mind later when I saw the impact on the
> fast path.
> 

Back then there would have been other anomolies as well such as
MPOL_BIND using zones in the wrong order. Zeroing would still have
dominated the cost of the allocation and slab would hide other details.
Hindsight is 20/20 and all that.

Right now, I don't think cpusets are a dominant factor for most setups but
I'm open to being convinced otherwise. For now, I'm happy if it's just shoved
a bit more to the side in the non-cpuset case. Like the CPU cache hot/cold
path, it might be best to leave it for a second or third pass and tackle
the low-lying fruit for the first pass.

> > the cpuset but you'd need one for each node allowed by the cpuset so it
> > could get quite large. Then again, it might be worthwhile if cpusets
> 
> Yes you would need one per node, but that's not a big problem because
> systems with lots of nodes are also expected to have lots of memory.
> Most systems have a very small number of nodes.
> 

That's a fair point on the memory consumption. There might be issues
with the cache consumption but if the cpuset is being heavily used for an
allocation-intensive workload then it probably will not be noticeable.

-- 
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student                          Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab

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From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Lin Ming <ming.m.lin@intel.com>,
	Zhang Yanmin <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/20] Cleanup and optimise the page allocator
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:32:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090224143218.GA5364@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090223174947.GT26292@one.firstfloor.org>

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 06:49:48PM +0100, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > hmm, it would be ideal but I haven't looked too closely at how it could
> > be implemented. I thought first you could just associate a zonelist with
> 
> Yes like that. This was actually discussed during the initial cpuset
> implementation. I thought back then it would be better to do it
> elsewhere, but changed my mind later when I saw the impact on the
> fast path.
> 

Back then there would have been other anomolies as well such as
MPOL_BIND using zones in the wrong order. Zeroing would still have
dominated the cost of the allocation and slab would hide other details.
Hindsight is 20/20 and all that.

Right now, I don't think cpusets are a dominant factor for most setups but
I'm open to being convinced otherwise. For now, I'm happy if it's just shoved
a bit more to the side in the non-cpuset case. Like the CPU cache hot/cold
path, it might be best to leave it for a second or third pass and tackle
the low-lying fruit for the first pass.

> > the cpuset but you'd need one for each node allowed by the cpuset so it
> > could get quite large. Then again, it might be worthwhile if cpusets
> 
> Yes you would need one per node, but that's not a big problem because
> systems with lots of nodes are also expected to have lots of memory.
> Most systems have a very small number of nodes.
> 

That's a fair point on the memory consumption. There might be issues
with the cache consumption but if the cpuset is being heavily used for an
allocation-intensive workload then it probably will not be noticeable.

-- 
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student                          Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab

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Thread overview: 190+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-22 23:17 [RFC PATCH 00/20] Cleanup and optimise the page allocator Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 01/20] Replace __alloc_pages_internal() with __alloc_pages_nodemask() Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 02/20] Do not sanity check order in the fast path Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 03/20] Do not check NUMA node ID when the caller knows the node is valid Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 15:01   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-02-23 15:01     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-02-23 16:24     ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 16:24       ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 04/20] Convert gfp_zone() to use a table of precalculated values Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 11:55   ` [PATCH] mm: clean up __GFP_* flags a bit Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-23 11:55     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-23 18:01     ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 18:01       ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 20:27       ` Vegard Nossum
2009-02-23 20:27         ` Vegard Nossum
2009-02-23 15:23   ` [PATCH 04/20] Convert gfp_zone() to use a table of precalculated values Christoph Lameter
2009-02-23 15:23     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-02-23 15:41     ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-23 15:41       ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-23 15:43       ` [PATCH 04/20] Convert gfp_zone() to use a table of precalculated value Christoph Lameter
2009-02-23 15:43         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-02-23 16:40         ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 16:40           ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 17:03           ` Christoph Lameter
2009-02-23 17:03             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-02-24  1:32           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-02-24  1:32             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-02-24  3:59             ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-24  3:59               ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-24  5:20               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-02-24  5:20                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-02-24 11:36             ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-24 11:36               ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 16:33     ` [PATCH 04/20] Convert gfp_zone() to use a table of precalculated values Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 16:33       ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 16:33       ` [PATCH 04/20] Convert gfp_zone() to use a table of precalculated value Christoph Lameter
2009-02-23 16:33         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-02-23 17:41         ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 17:41           ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 05/20] Check only once if the zonelist is suitable for the allocation Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 06/20] Break up the allocator entry point into fast and slow paths Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 07/20] Simplify the check on whether cpusets are a factor or not Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23  7:14   ` Pekka J Enberg
2009-02-23  7:14     ` Pekka J Enberg
2009-02-23  9:07     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-23  9:07       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-23  9:13       ` Pekka Enberg
2009-02-23  9:13         ` Pekka Enberg
2009-02-23 11:39         ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 11:39           ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 13:19           ` Pekka Enberg
2009-02-23 13:19             ` Pekka Enberg
2009-02-23  9:14   ` Li Zefan
2009-02-23  9:14     ` Li Zefan
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 08/20] Move check for disabled anti-fragmentation out of fastpath Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 09/20] Calculate the preferred zone for allocation only once Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 10/20] Calculate the migratetype " Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 11/20] Inline get_page_from_freelist() in the fast-path Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23  7:21   ` Pekka Enberg
2009-02-23  7:21     ` Pekka Enberg
2009-02-23 11:42     ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 11:42       ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 15:32   ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-23 15:32     ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-24 13:32     ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-24 13:32       ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-24 14:08       ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-24 14:08         ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-24 15:03         ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-24 15:03           ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 12/20] Inline __rmqueue_smallest() Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 13/20] Inline buffered_rmqueue() Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23  7:24   ` Pekka Enberg
2009-02-23  7:24     ` Pekka Enberg
2009-02-23 11:44     ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 11:44       ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 14/20] Do not call get_pageblock_migratetype() more than necessary Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 15/20] Do not disable interrupts in free_page_mlock() Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23  9:19   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-23  9:19     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-23 12:23     ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 12:23       ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 12:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-23 12:44         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-23 14:25         ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 14:25           ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 16/20] Do not setup zonelist cache when there is only one node Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 17/20] Do not double sanity check page attributes during allocation Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 18/20] Split per-cpu list into one-list-per-migrate-type Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 19/20] Batch free pages from migratetype per-cpu lists Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17 ` [PATCH 20/20] Get rid of the concept of hot/cold page freeing Mel Gorman
2009-02-22 23:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23  9:37   ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-23  9:37     ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-23 23:30     ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 23:30       ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 23:53       ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-23 23:53         ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-24 11:51         ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-24 11:51           ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-25  0:01           ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-25  0:01             ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-25 16:01             ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-25 16:01               ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-25 16:19               ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-25 16:19                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-26 16:37                 ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-26 16:37                   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-26 17:00                   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-02-26 17:00                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-02-26 17:15                     ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-26 17:15                       ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-26 17:30                       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-02-26 17:30                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-02-27 11:33                         ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-27 11:33                           ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-27 15:40                           ` Christoph Lameter
2009-02-27 15:40                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-03 13:52                             ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-03 13:52                               ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-03 18:53                               ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-03 18:53                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-02-27 11:38                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-27 11:38                         ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-01 10:37                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-01 10:37                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-02-25 18:33               ` Christoph Lameter
2009-02-25 18:33                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-02-22 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 00/20] Cleanup and optimise the page allocator Andi Kleen
2009-02-22 23:57   ` Andi Kleen
2009-02-23 12:34   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 12:34     ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 15:34   ` [RFC PATCH 00/20] Cleanup and optimise the page allocato Christoph Lameter
2009-02-23 15:34     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-02-23  0:02 ` [RFC PATCH 00/20] Cleanup and optimise the page allocator Andi Kleen
2009-02-23  0:02   ` Andi Kleen
2009-02-23 14:32   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 14:32     ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 17:49     ` Andi Kleen
2009-02-23 17:49       ` Andi Kleen
2009-02-24 14:32       ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2009-02-24 14:32         ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23  7:29 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-02-23  7:29   ` Pekka Enberg
2009-02-23  8:34   ` Zhang, Yanmin
2009-02-23  8:34     ` Zhang, Yanmin
2009-02-23  9:10   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-02-23  9:10     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-02-23 11:55 ` [PATCH] mm: gfp_to_alloc_flags() Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-23 11:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-23 14:00   ` Pekka Enberg
2009-02-23 14:00     ` Pekka Enberg
2009-02-23 18:17   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 18:17     ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 20:09     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-23 20:09       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-23 22:59   ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-23 22:59     ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-24  8:59     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-24  8:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-23 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH 00/20] Cleanup and optimise the page allocator Christoph Lameter
2009-02-23 14:38   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-02-23 14:46 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-23 14:46   ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-23 15:00   ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 15:00     ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 15:22     ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-23 15:22       ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-23 20:26       ` Mel Gorman
2009-02-23 20:26         ` Mel Gorman

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