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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Zhaolei <zhaolei@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Tom Zanussi <tzanussi@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 5/4] ftrace, workqueuetrace: display work name
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:44:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090415094433.GA32116@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090415141250.AC46.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>


* KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:

> > About event tracing, we want to have something that let us 
> > identifying the events individually. For the works it can be 
> > either the function embedeed in the work, or the work itself. 
> > But do we need both? Since it's rare that a function can be 
> > embedeed in more than two works, I guess we only need one of 
> > those informations. Which one is the more efficient to identify 
> > a work? That can be discussed actually.
> 
> OK. I think function name is enough. I'll drop this patch.

I think function name is what we generally use - and maybe that fits 
better into the function tracer concepts as well.

The 'work' (worklet) itself can often be non-symbolic: some 
dynamically allocated object embedded in another dynamically 
allocated object.

It might make sense to trace it (non-symbolically - just as a 
pointer value) - because to the work flow itself we can see what got 
started and where, and where it got finished, by looking at the work 
object itself.

In other words: the work function is the 'actor' or method, the 
worklet is the 'object'. They are two separate entities and tracing 
_both_ makes sense - as long as it's pervasive enough to understand 
the full life cycle of a worklet:

   worklet initialization (optional)
   queueing
   start of execution
   completion
   destruction/cancellation (optional)

It does not make sense to just trace bits of the life cycle.

Once we have these events instrumented, we can use them to build 
various derived metrics: average latency of queueing, average 
execution time, ratio of execution versus cancellation, etc. etc. We 
can build histograms that summarize informaton, or we can expose the 
full raw and uncut trace history as well.

All of that builds on a complete capture of the essentials of a 
subsystem.

> And also function name has another benefit. symbol name is module 
> unload safe. then we don't need to care module unloading.
> 
> In the other hand, work_struct variable is often static variable. 
> it mean the variable name is often very short.

That is true - but often a worklet is dynamic and then we'll have no 
symbol name to work with at all.

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-04-15  9:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-13  0:53 [PATCH 0/1] tracing, workqueuetrace: Make workqueue tracepoints use TRACE_EVENT macro Zhaolei
2009-04-13  0:54 ` [PATCH 1/1] " Zhaolei
2009-04-13  1:44   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-13  3:25     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-13  3:49       ` Zhaolei
2009-04-13  3:57         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-13  4:07           ` Re: [PATCH 1/1] tracing, workqueuetrace: Make workqueuetracepoints " Zhaolei
2009-04-13  3:57         ` [PATCH 1/1] tracing, workqueuetrace: Make workqueue tracepoints " KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-13  5:52           ` [PATCH v2 1/4] ftrace, " KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-13  5:53             ` [PATCH v2 2/4] ftrace: introduce workqueue_handler_exit tracepoint and rename workqueue_execution to workqueue_handler_entry KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-13 16:25               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-15 10:22                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-15 11:09                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15 11:33                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-15 11:45                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-15 12:05                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-13  5:53             ` [PATCH v2 3/4] ftrace: add max execution time mesurement to workqueue tracer KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-13 16:16               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-13 21:21                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-14  1:43                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-14 11:40                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-15  0:31                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-13  5:55             ` [PATCH v2 4/4] ftrace: add latecy mesurement feature " KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-14  2:50               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-13 15:24             ` [PATCH v2 1/4] ftrace, workqueuetrace: Make workqueue tracepoints use TRACE_EVENT macro Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-14  4:03             ` [PATCH v2 5/4] ftrace, workqueuetrace: display work name KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-14 21:16               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-14 23:55                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-15  1:15                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-15  6:13                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-15  6:17                       ` Zhaolei
2009-04-15  9:44                       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-04-15 16:23                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-17  6:56                       ` [PATCH v3 0/1] ftrace, workqueuetrace: Make workqueue tracepoints use TRACE_EVENT macro Zhaolei
2009-04-17  7:15                         ` [PATCH v3 1/1] " Zhaolei
2009-04-17 13:45                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-20  1:30                             ` [PATCH v3 1/1] ftrace, workqueuetrace: Make workqueuetracepoints " Zhaolei
2009-04-20  1:38                               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-20  1:43                                 ` Zhaolei
2009-04-20  1:49                                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-20  8:46                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-20 22:25                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-20 23:48                                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-21 15:28                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-21 15:50                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-21 18:33                                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-21 18:28                                             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-21 19:37                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-24 11:42                             ` [PATCH 0/4] workqueue_tracepoint: Add worklet tracepoints for worklet lifecycle tracing Zhaolei
2009-04-24 11:43                               ` [PATCH 1/4] workqueue_tracepoint: introduce workqueue_handler_exit tracepoint and rename workqueue_execution to workqueue_handler_entry Zhaolei
2009-04-24 11:45                               ` [PATCH 2/4] workqueue_tracepoint: Add workqueue_flush and worklet_cancel tracepoint Zhaolei
2009-04-24 11:45                               ` [PATCH 3/4] workqueue_tracepoint: Change tracepoint name to fit worklet and workqueue lifecycle Zhaolei
2009-04-24 11:46                               ` [PATCH 4/4] workqueue_trace: Separate worklet_insertion into worklet_enqueue and worklet_enqueue_delayed Zhaolei
2009-04-24 20:06                               ` [PATCH 0/4] workqueue_tracepoint: Add worklet tracepoints for worklet lifecycle tracing Andrew Morton
2009-04-24 22:59                                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-24 23:20                                   ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-25  0:37                                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-25  1:28                                       ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-25  2:00                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2009-04-25  2:24                                           ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-25  2:51                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2009-04-25  3:10                                               ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-25  3:32                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-04-26 10:47                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-27  5:44                                           ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-27 15:02                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-27 15:43                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-27 19:09                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-28 13:42                                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-28 16:43                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-04-28 17:49                                                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-24 23:27                                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-28 17:24                                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2009-04-28 18:48                                   ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-28 20:51                                     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2009-04-29  4:03                                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-29  4:29                                       ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-29  5:21                                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-20 17:11                           ` [PATCH v3 1/1] ftrace, workqueuetrace: Make workqueue tracepoints use TRACE_EVENT macro Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-21  1:20                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-20  6:42                       ` [PATCH 0/4] ftrace, workqueuetrace: Add worklet informationame Zhaolei
2009-04-20  6:58                         ` [PATCH 1/4] trace_workqueue: use list_for_each_entry() instead of list_for_each_entry_safe() Zhaolei
2009-04-20  7:26                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-20  6:59                         ` [PATCH 2/4] trace_workqueue: Remove cpu_workqueue_stats->first_entry Zhaolei
2009-04-20  7:02                         ` [PATCH 3/4] trace_workqueue: Remove blank line between each cpu Zhaolei
2009-04-20  7:09                         ` [PATCH 4/4] trace_workqueue: Add worklet information Zhaolei
2009-04-20 11:36                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-21  1:57                             ` Zhaolei
2009-04-21 23:39                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-20  7:23                         ` [PATCH 0/4] ftrace, workqueuetrace: Add worklet informationame Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-13 14:34     ` [PATCH 1/1] tracing, workqueuetrace: Make workqueue tracepoints use TRACE_EVENT macro Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-13 14:13   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-15  6:47     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-13 13:57 ` [PATCH 0/1] " Frederic Weisbecker

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