From: Matt Helsley <matthltc-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Trond Myklebust
<trond.myklebust-41N18TsMXrtuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman"
<ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
Matt Helsley <matthltc-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Containers <containers-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>,
linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Improve NFS use of network and mount namespaces
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:44:52 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090513004452.GF3912@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1242173604.5407.82.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 08:13:24PM -0400, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 17:04 -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust-41N18TsMXrtuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org> writes:
> >
> > > Finally, what happens if someone decides to set up a private socket
> > > namespace, using CLONE_NEWNET, without also using CLONE_NEWNS to create
> > > a private mount namespace? Would anyone have even the remotest chance in
> > > hell of figuring out what filesystem is mounted where in the ensuing
> > > chaos?
> >
> > Good question. Multiple NFS servers with the same ip address reachable
> > from the same machine sounds about as nasty pickle as it gets.
> >
> > The only way I can even imagine a setup like that is someone connecting
> > to a vpn. So they are behind more than one NAT gateway.
> >
> > Bleh NAT sucks.
>
> It is doable, though, and it will affect more than just NFS. Pretty much
> all networked filesystems are affected.
>
> It begs the question: is there ever any possible justification for
> allowing CLONE_NEWNET without implying CLONE_NEWNS?
There are so many filesystem-based kernel APIs that this is a pervasive
problem IMHO -- not just with CLONE_NEWNET. However, even if we required
CLONE_NEWNET|CLONE_NEWNS network namespaces still present a problem to
network filesystems in general.
-Matt
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From: Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>
To: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>,
Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>,
linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Improve NFS use of network and mount namespaces
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:44:52 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090513004452.GF3912@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1242173604.5407.82.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org>
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 08:13:24PM -0400, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 17:04 -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no> writes:
> >
> > > Finally, what happens if someone decides to set up a private socket
> > > namespace, using CLONE_NEWNET, without also using CLONE_NEWNS to create
> > > a private mount namespace? Would anyone have even the remotest chance in
> > > hell of figuring out what filesystem is mounted where in the ensuing
> > > chaos?
> >
> > Good question. Multiple NFS servers with the same ip address reachable
> > from the same machine sounds about as nasty pickle as it gets.
> >
> > The only way I can even imagine a setup like that is someone connecting
> > to a vpn. So they are behind more than one NAT gateway.
> >
> > Bleh NAT sucks.
>
> It is doable, though, and it will affect more than just NFS. Pretty much
> all networked filesystems are affected.
>
> It begs the question: is there ever any possible justification for
> allowing CLONE_NEWNET without implying CLONE_NEWNS?
There are so many filesystem-based kernel APIs that this is a pervasive
problem IMHO -- not just with CLONE_NEWNET. However, even if we required
CLONE_NEWNET|CLONE_NEWNS network namespaces still present a problem to
network filesystems in general.
-Matt
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-13 0:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-12 21:51 [RFC][PATCH] Improve NFS use of network and mount namespaces Matt Helsley
2009-05-12 21:51 ` Matt Helsley
[not found] ` <20090512215138.GD3912-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-12 22:18 ` Chuck Lever
2009-05-12 22:18 ` Chuck Lever
2009-05-12 23:46 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-12 23:46 ` Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <1242172010.5407.79.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-13 0:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-13 0:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m13ab97trc.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-13 0:13 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-13 0:13 ` Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <1242173604.5407.82.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-13 0:44 ` Matt Helsley [this message]
2009-05-13 0:44 ` Matt Helsley
2009-05-13 1:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-13 1:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-13 0:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-13 0:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1fxf97tvt.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-13 1:05 ` Matt Helsley
2009-05-13 1:05 ` Matt Helsley
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