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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: "Larry H." <research@subreption.com>
Cc: peterz@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	mingo@redhat.com, pageexec@freemail.hu
Subject: Re: [patch 0/5] Support for sanitization flag in low-level page allocator
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:58:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090529155859.2cf20823.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090520212413.GF10756@oblivion.subreption.com>

On Wed, 20 May 2009 14:24:13 -0700
"Larry H." <research@subreption.com> wrote:

> Your
> approach means forcing all developers to remember where they have to
> place this explicit clearing, and introducing unnecessary code
> duplication and an ever growing list of places adding these calls.

And your proposed approach requires that developers remember to use
GFP_SENSITIVE at allocation time.  In well-implemented code, there is a
single memory-freeing site, so there's really no difference here.

Other problems I see with the patch are:

- Adds a test-n-branch to all page-freeing operations.  Ouch.  The
  current approach avoids that cost.

- Fails to handle kmalloc()'ed memory.  Fixing this will probably
  require adding a test-n-branch to kmem_cache_alloc().  Ouch * N.

- Once kmalloc() is fixed, the page-allocator changes and
  GFP_SENSITIVE itself can perhaps go away - I expect that little
  security-sensitive memory is allocated direct from the page
  allocator.  Most callsites are probably using
  kmalloc()/kmem_cache_alloc() (might be wrong).

  If not wrong then we end up with a single requirement: zap the
  memory in kmem_cache_free().

  But how to do that?  Particular callsites don't get to alter
  kfree()'s behaviour.  So they'd need to use a new kfree_sensitive(). 
  Which is just syntactic sugar around the code whihc we presently
  implement.


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: "Larry H." <research@subreption.com>
Cc: peterz@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	mingo@redhat.com, pageexec@freemail.hu
Subject: Re: [patch 0/5] Support for sanitization flag in low-level page allocator
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 15:58:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090529155859.2cf20823.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090520212413.GF10756@oblivion.subreption.com>

On Wed, 20 May 2009 14:24:13 -0700
"Larry H." <research@subreption.com> wrote:

> Your
> approach means forcing all developers to remember where they have to
> place this explicit clearing, and introducing unnecessary code
> duplication and an ever growing list of places adding these calls.

And your proposed approach requires that developers remember to use
GFP_SENSITIVE at allocation time.  In well-implemented code, there is a
single memory-freeing site, so there's really no difference here.

Other problems I see with the patch are:

- Adds a test-n-branch to all page-freeing operations.  Ouch.  The
  current approach avoids that cost.

- Fails to handle kmalloc()'ed memory.  Fixing this will probably
  require adding a test-n-branch to kmem_cache_alloc().  Ouch * N.

- Once kmalloc() is fixed, the page-allocator changes and
  GFP_SENSITIVE itself can perhaps go away - I expect that little
  security-sensitive memory is allocated direct from the page
  allocator.  Most callsites are probably using
  kmalloc()/kmem_cache_alloc() (might be wrong).

  If not wrong then we end up with a single requirement: zap the
  memory in kmem_cache_free().

  But how to do that?  Particular callsites don't get to alter
  kfree()'s behaviour.  So they'd need to use a new kfree_sensitive(). 
  Which is just syntactic sugar around the code whihc we presently
  implement.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-29 22:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 220+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-20 18:30 [patch 0/5] Support for sanitization flag in low-level page allocator Larry H.
2009-05-20 18:30 ` Larry H.
2009-05-20 20:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-20 20:42   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-20 21:24   ` Larry H.
2009-05-20 21:24     ` Larry H.
2009-05-21 15:21     ` Robin Holt
2009-05-21 15:21       ` Robin Holt
2009-05-21 18:43       ` Larry H.
2009-05-21 18:43         ` Larry H.
2009-05-29 22:58     ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2009-05-29 22:58       ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-30  7:00       ` Larry H.
2009-05-30  7:12       ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30  7:12         ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30  7:35         ` Larry H.
2009-05-30  7:35           ` Larry H.
2009-05-30  7:39           ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30  7:39             ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-21 19:08   ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-21 19:08     ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-21 19:26     ` Alan Cox
2009-05-21 19:26       ` Alan Cox
2009-05-21 19:56       ` Larry H.
2009-05-21 19:56         ` Larry H.
2009-05-21 20:47         ` Alan Cox
2009-05-21 20:47           ` Alan Cox
2009-05-21 21:46           ` Larry H.
2009-05-21 22:47             ` Alan Cox
2009-05-21 22:47               ` Alan Cox
2009-05-22 11:22               ` Larry H.
2009-05-22 11:22                 ` Larry H.
2009-05-22 13:37                 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-22 13:37                   ` Alan Cox
2009-05-26 19:02       ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-26 19:02         ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-21 19:17 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-21 19:30   ` Larry H.
2009-05-22  7:34   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-22 11:38     ` Larry H.
2009-05-22 11:38       ` Larry H.
2009-05-22 13:39       ` Alan Cox
2009-05-22 13:39         ` Alan Cox
2009-05-22 18:03         ` Larry H.
2009-05-22 18:03           ` Larry H.
2009-05-22 18:21           ` Alan Cox
2009-05-22 18:21             ` Alan Cox
2009-05-22 23:25             ` [PATCH] Support for kernel memory sanitization Larry H.
2009-05-22 23:52               ` Randy Dunlap
2009-05-22 23:40             ` [patch 0/5] Support for sanitization flag in low-level page allocator Larry H.
2009-05-23  8:09               ` Alan Cox
2009-05-23  8:09                 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-23 15:56                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-23 15:56                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-23 18:21                   ` [PATCH] Support for unconditional page sanitization Larry H.
2009-05-23 18:21                     ` Larry H.
2009-05-23 21:05                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-23 21:05                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-24 10:19                       ` pageexec
2009-05-24 10:19                         ` pageexec
2009-05-24 16:38                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-24 16:38                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-28 19:36                   ` [patch 0/5] Support for sanitization flag in low-level page allocator Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 19:36                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-29 14:32                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-29 14:32                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-30  5:48                       ` Larry H.
2009-05-30  5:48                         ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 10:39                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-30 10:39                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-30 10:43                           ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 10:43                             ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 11:42                           ` pageexec
2009-05-30 11:42                             ` pageexec
2009-05-30 13:21                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-30 13:21                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-30 13:24                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-30 13:24                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-30 13:54                               ` pageexec
2009-05-30 13:54                                 ` pageexec
2009-05-30 14:04                                 ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 14:04                                   ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 14:13                                 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-30 14:13                                   ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-30 14:08                               ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-30 14:08                                 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-30 14:30                               ` Alan Cox
2009-05-30 14:45                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-30 14:45                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-30 14:48                                   ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-30 14:48                                     ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-30 17:00                                     ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 17:00                                       ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 17:25                                       ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 17:25                                         ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 18:32                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 18:32                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-05 13:15                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-31 14:38                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-31 14:38                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-31 15:03                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-31 15:03                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-22 18:37           ` Nai Xia
2009-05-22 18:37             ` Nai Xia
2009-05-22 19:18           ` Nai Xia
2009-05-22 19:18             ` Nai Xia
2009-05-23 12:49       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-23 12:49         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-23 22:28         ` Larry H.
2009-05-23 22:28           ` Larry H.
2009-05-23 22:42         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-23 22:42           ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-25  1:17           ` [PATCH] Sanitize memory on kfree() and kmem_cache_free() Larry H.
2009-05-25  1:17             ` Larry H.
2009-05-27 22:34           ` [patch 0/5] Support for sanitization flag in low-level page allocator Ingo Molnar
2009-05-27 22:34             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-28  6:27             ` Alan Cox
2009-05-28  6:27               ` Alan Cox
2009-05-28  7:00               ` Larry H.
2009-05-28  7:00                 ` Larry H.
2009-05-28  9:08               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-28  9:08                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-28 11:50                 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-28 11:50                   ` Alan Cox
2009-05-28 19:44                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-28 19:44                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-30  7:35                   ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30  7:35                     ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30  7:50                     ` Larry H.
2009-05-30  7:50                       ` Larry H.
2009-05-30  7:53                       ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30  7:53                         ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30  8:20                         ` Larry H.
2009-05-30  8:20                           ` Larry H.
2009-05-30  8:33                           ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30  8:33                             ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30 15:05                           ` Ray Lee
2009-05-30 15:05                             ` Ray Lee
2009-05-30 17:34                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 17:34                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 18:03                             ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 18:03                               ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 18:21                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 18:21                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 18:45                                 ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 18:45                                   ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 19:08                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 19:08                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 20:39                                     ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-30 20:39                                       ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-30 20:53                                       ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30 20:53                                         ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30 21:33                                         ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 21:33                                           ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 23:13                                           ` Alan Cox
2009-05-30 23:13                                             ` Alan Cox
2009-05-30 23:18                                             ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 23:18                                               ` Larry H.
2009-05-31  6:30                                               ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-31  6:30                                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-31 11:49                                                 ` Larry H.
2009-05-31 11:49                                                   ` Larry H.
2009-05-31  7:17                                           ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-31  7:17                                             ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-31 11:58                                             ` Larry H.
2009-05-31 11:58                                               ` Larry H.
2009-05-31 12:16                                               ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-31 12:16                                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-31 12:30                                                 ` Larry H.
2009-05-31 12:30                                                   ` Larry H.
2009-05-31 12:35                                                   ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-31 12:35                                                     ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30 23:10                                         ` Alan Cox
2009-05-30 23:10                                           ` Alan Cox
2009-05-31  6:14                                           ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-31  6:14                                             ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-31 10:24                                             ` Alan Cox
2009-05-31 10:24                                               ` Alan Cox
2009-05-31 10:24                                               ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-31 10:24                                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-31 12:16                                             ` Larry H.
2009-05-31 12:16                                               ` Larry H.
2009-05-31 12:19                                               ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-31 12:19                                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-31 16:25                                               ` Alan Cox
2009-05-31 16:25                                                 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-30 22:10                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 22:10                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 23:15                                         ` Alan Cox
2009-05-30 23:15                                           ` Alan Cox
2009-05-30 20:22                               ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30 20:22                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30 22:14                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 22:14                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 17:39                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 17:39                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30  7:57                       ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30  7:57                         ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30  9:05                         ` Larry H.
2009-05-30  9:05                           ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 17:46                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 17:46                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 18:09                             ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 18:09                               ` Larry H.
2009-05-30  8:31                     ` Alan Cox
2009-05-30  8:31                       ` Alan Cox
2009-05-30  8:35                       ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30  8:35                         ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30  9:27                         ` Larry H.
2009-05-30  9:27                           ` Larry H.
2009-05-28 18:48                 ` pageexec
2009-05-28 18:48                   ` pageexec
2009-05-30 17:50                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 17:50                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-28 12:48 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-28 12:48   ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-28 12:55   ` Larry H.
2009-05-28 12:55     ` Larry H.
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2009-05-28 18:56 pageexec
2009-05-28 18:56 ` pageexec

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