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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
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Subject: Merge Xen (the hypervisor) into Linux
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:28:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090602232843.GA6577@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090602224051.GB32428@goodmis.org>


* Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:

> Now here's a crazy solution. Merge the Xen hypervisor into Linux 
> ;-)

That's not that crazy - it's the right technical solution if DOM0 is 
desired for upstream. From what i've seen in DOM0 land the incestous 
dependencies are really only long-term manageable if the whole thing 
is in a single tree.

A lot of Xen legacies could be dropped: the crazy ring1 hack on 
32-bit, the various wide interfaces to make pure-software 
virtualization limp along. All major CPUs shipped with hardware 
virtualization support in the past 2-3 years, so the availability of 
VMX and SVM can be taken for granted for such a project.

That cuts down on a fair amount of crap. A lot of code on the Linux 
side could be reused, and a pure CONFIG_PCI=y (all other things 
disabled) would provide a "slim hypervisor" instance with a very 
small and concentrated code base. (That 'slim hypervisor' might even 
be built with CONFIG_NOMMU.)

That way dom0 would be a natural extension: a minimal interface 
between Linux-Xen-minimal and the dom0 guest instance.

It's a sane technical model IMO, and makes dom0 a lot more 
palatable. Having in-tree competition to KVM would also obviously be 
good to Linux in general.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-02 23:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-12 23:25 [GIT PULL] Xen APIC hooks (with io_apic_ops) Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 01/17] xen/dom0: handle acpi lapic parsing in Xen dom0 Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 02/17] x86: add io_apic_ops to allow interception Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-25  3:54   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-27  7:17     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 03/17] xen: implement io_apic_ops Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 04/17] xen: create dummy ioapic mapping Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 05/17] xen: implement pirq type event channels Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 06/17] x86/io_apic: add get_nr_irqs_gsi() Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 07/17] xen/apic: identity map gsi->irqs Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 08/17] xen: direct irq registration to pirq event channels Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 09/17] xen: bind pirq to vector and event channel Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 10/17] xen: pre-initialize legacy irqs early Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 11/17] xen: don't setup acpi interrupt unless there is one Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 12/17] xen: use acpi_get_override_irq() to get triggering for legacy irqs Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 13/17] xen: initialize irq 0 too Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 14/17] xen: dynamically allocate irq & event structures Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 15/17] xen: set pirq name to something useful Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 16/17] xen: fix legacy irq setup, make ioapic-less machines work Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 17/17] xen: disable MSI Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-19 12:35 ` [GIT PULL] Xen APIC hooks (with io_apic_ops) Ingo Molnar
2009-05-20 17:57   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-25  4:10     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-26 12:46       ` [Xen-devel] " George Dunlap
2009-05-26 18:26         ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-26 19:18           ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-05-26 19:41             ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-28  0:13             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-28  0:49               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-28  3:47               ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-05-28 14:26               ` George Dunlap
2009-05-29  0:45               ` Xen is a feature Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-29  1:27                 ` Greg KH
2009-05-29  4:05                 ` David Miller
2009-05-29  6:37                   ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-05-29  6:51                     ` David Miller
2009-05-29 12:01                   ` George Dunlap
2009-05-29 14:14                     ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2009-05-29 21:29                       ` David Miller
     [not found]                     ` <87tz33ep1b.fsf@basil.nowhere.org>
2009-05-29 21:31                       ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-29 23:09                       ` Nakajima, Jun
2009-05-29 23:26                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-06-02 15:23                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-06-02 16:41                       ` George Dunlap
2009-06-02 17:28                         ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-02 17:46                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-02 18:02                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-02 18:59                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-07  9:13                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-07 10:01                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-07 10:35                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-07 12:46                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-07 13:02                                       ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-06-04 14:02                           ` [Xen-users] " Thomas Goirand
2009-06-02 18:59                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-06-03 19:49                       ` Bill Davidsen
2009-06-03 20:20                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-06-03 22:37                           ` Bill Davidsen
2009-06-03 23:29                             ` Frans Pop
2009-06-04 13:21                               ` George Dunlap
2009-06-04 15:10                                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-06-04 15:31                                 ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-05  4:14                               ` Bill Davidsen
2009-06-05  4:55                                 ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-02 22:40                     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-02 23:28                       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-06-03  0:00                         ` Merge Xen (the hypervisor) into Linux Dan Magenheimer
2009-06-03  0:32                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-06-03  2:43                           ` Theodore Tso
2009-06-03  3:42                             ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-03  4:49                               ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-06-03  4:58                                 ` David Miller
2009-06-03  5:07                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-03  5:22                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-03 12:03                                   ` George Dunlap
2009-06-03 19:05                                     ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                                       ` <4A27CF94.1050903@gmx.de>
2009-06-04 14:03                                         ` [Xen-users] " Steven Rostedt
2009-06-03  7:28                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-06-03  8:47                               ` Alan Cox
2009-06-03  9:09                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-06-03  9:20                                   ` Keir Fraser
2009-06-03 11:15                                   ` Theodore Tso
2009-06-03 11:39                                     ` Keir Fraser
2009-06-03 11:41                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-06-03  1:00                         ` Joel Becker
2009-06-03  2:00                           ` david
2009-06-03  7:59                           ` Alan Cox
2009-06-03  8:07                         ` Christian Tramnitz
2009-06-04 18:53                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-05  0:09                             ` Samuel Thibault
2009-06-05  0:18                               ` David Miller
2009-06-05  0:54                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-03 17:31                         ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-03 17:36                           ` Alan Cox
2009-06-02 23:41                       ` Xen is a feature Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-30  2:19                 ` [Xen-devel] " Andy Burns
2009-05-26 21:19         ` [Xen-devel] Re: [GIT PULL] Xen APIC hooks (with io_apic_ops) Gerd Hoffmann
2009-05-27 10:14           ` George Dunlap
2009-05-24 20:10   ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-25  3:51     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-25  4:55       ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-25  5:06         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-25  5:12           ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-25  5:19             ` Ingo Molnar

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