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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Keir Fraser <keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Xen APIC hooks (with io_apic_ops)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:57:18 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A14447E.9060607@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090519123548.GA26439@elte.hu>

Ingo Molnar wrote:
> Since they are not performance critical, then why doesnt Xen catch 
> the IO-APIC accesses, and virtualizes the device?
>
> If you want to hook into the IO-APIC code at such a low level, why 
> dont you hook into the _hardware_ API - i.e. catch those 
> setup/routing modifications to the IO-APIC space. No Linux changes 
> are needed in that case.
>   

Yes, these changes aren't for a performance reason.  It's a case where a 
few lines change in Linux saves many hundreds or thousands of lines 
change in Xen.

Xen doesn't have an internal mechanism for emulating devices via 
pagefaults (that's generally handled by a qemu instance running as part 
of a guest domain), so there's no mechanism to map and emulate the 
io-apic.  Putting such support into Xen would mean adding a pile of new 
infrastructure to support this case.

Unlike the mtrr discussion, where the msr read/write ops would allow us 
to emulate the mtrr within the Xen-specific parts of the kernel, the 
io-apic ops are just accessed via normal memory writes which we can't 
hook, so it would have to be done within Xen.

The other thing I thought about was putting a hook in the Linux 
pagefault handler, so we could emulate the ioapic at that level.  But 
putting a hook in a very hot path to avoid code changes in a cold path 
doesn't make any sense.  (Same applies to doing PF emulation within Xen; 
that's an even hotter path than Linux's.)

    J

  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-20 17:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-12 23:25 [GIT PULL] Xen APIC hooks (with io_apic_ops) Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 01/17] xen/dom0: handle acpi lapic parsing in Xen dom0 Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 02/17] x86: add io_apic_ops to allow interception Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-25  3:54   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-27  7:17     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 03/17] xen: implement io_apic_ops Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 04/17] xen: create dummy ioapic mapping Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 05/17] xen: implement pirq type event channels Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 06/17] x86/io_apic: add get_nr_irqs_gsi() Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 07/17] xen/apic: identity map gsi->irqs Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 08/17] xen: direct irq registration to pirq event channels Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 09/17] xen: bind pirq to vector and event channel Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 10/17] xen: pre-initialize legacy irqs early Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 11/17] xen: don't setup acpi interrupt unless there is one Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 12/17] xen: use acpi_get_override_irq() to get triggering for legacy irqs Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 13/17] xen: initialize irq 0 too Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 14/17] xen: dynamically allocate irq & event structures Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 15/17] xen: set pirq name to something useful Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 16/17] xen: fix legacy irq setup, make ioapic-less machines work Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 17/17] xen: disable MSI Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-19 12:35 ` [GIT PULL] Xen APIC hooks (with io_apic_ops) Ingo Molnar
2009-05-20 17:57   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2009-05-25  4:10     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-26 12:46       ` [Xen-devel] " George Dunlap
2009-05-26 18:26         ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-26 19:18           ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-05-26 19:41             ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-28  0:13             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-28  0:49               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-28  3:47               ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-05-28 14:26               ` George Dunlap
2009-05-29  0:45               ` Xen is a feature Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-29  1:27                 ` Greg KH
2009-05-29  4:05                 ` David Miller
2009-05-29  6:37                   ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-05-29  6:51                     ` David Miller
2009-05-29 12:01                   ` George Dunlap
2009-05-29 14:14                     ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2009-05-29 21:29                       ` David Miller
     [not found]                     ` <87tz33ep1b.fsf@basil.nowhere.org>
2009-05-29 21:31                       ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-29 23:09                       ` Nakajima, Jun
2009-05-29 23:26                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-06-02 15:23                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-06-02 16:41                       ` George Dunlap
2009-06-02 17:28                         ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-02 17:46                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-02 18:02                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-02 18:59                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-07  9:13                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-07 10:01                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-07 10:35                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-07 12:46                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-07 13:02                                       ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-06-04 14:02                           ` [Xen-users] " Thomas Goirand
2009-06-02 18:59                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-06-03 19:49                       ` Bill Davidsen
2009-06-03 20:20                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-06-03 22:37                           ` Bill Davidsen
2009-06-03 23:29                             ` Frans Pop
2009-06-04 13:21                               ` George Dunlap
2009-06-04 15:10                                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-06-04 15:31                                 ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-05  4:14                               ` Bill Davidsen
2009-06-05  4:55                                 ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-02 22:40                     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-02 23:28                       ` Merge Xen (the hypervisor) into Linux Ingo Molnar
2009-06-03  0:00                         ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-06-03  0:32                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-06-03  2:43                           ` Theodore Tso
2009-06-03  3:42                             ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-03  4:49                               ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-06-03  4:58                                 ` David Miller
2009-06-03  5:07                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-03  5:22                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-03 12:03                                   ` George Dunlap
2009-06-03 19:05                                     ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                                       ` <4A27CF94.1050903@gmx.de>
2009-06-04 14:03                                         ` [Xen-users] " Steven Rostedt
2009-06-03  7:28                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-06-03  8:47                               ` Alan Cox
2009-06-03  9:09                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-06-03  9:20                                   ` Keir Fraser
2009-06-03 11:15                                   ` Theodore Tso
2009-06-03 11:39                                     ` Keir Fraser
2009-06-03 11:41                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-06-03  1:00                         ` Joel Becker
2009-06-03  2:00                           ` david
2009-06-03  7:59                           ` Alan Cox
2009-06-03  8:07                         ` Christian Tramnitz
2009-06-04 18:53                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-05  0:09                             ` Samuel Thibault
2009-06-05  0:18                               ` David Miller
2009-06-05  0:54                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-03 17:31                         ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-03 17:36                           ` Alan Cox
2009-06-02 23:41                       ` Xen is a feature Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-30  2:19                 ` [Xen-devel] " Andy Burns
2009-05-26 21:19         ` [Xen-devel] Re: [GIT PULL] Xen APIC hooks (with io_apic_ops) Gerd Hoffmann
2009-05-27 10:14           ` George Dunlap
2009-05-24 20:10   ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-25  3:51     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-25  4:55       ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-25  5:06         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-25  5:12           ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-25  5:19             ` Ingo Molnar

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