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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	"riel@redhat.com" <riel@redhat.com>,
	"chris.mason@oracle.com" <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/22] HWPOISON: Handle hardware poisoned pages in try_to_unmap
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:58:38 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090619015838.GA6192@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <28c262360906180631i25ea6a18mbdc5be31c2346c04@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 09:31:52PM +0800, Minchan Kim wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Wu Fengguang<fengguang.wu@intel.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:03:37PM +0800, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Wu Fengguang<fengguang.wu@intel.com> wrote:
> >> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 09:44:39PM +0800, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >> >> It is private mail for my question.
> >> >> I don't want to make noise in LKML.
> >> >> And I don't want to disturb your progress to merge HWPoison.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Because this race window is small enough:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >        TestSetPageHWPoison(p);
> >> >> >                                   lock_page(page);
> >> >> >                                   try_to_unmap(page, TTU_MIGRATION|...);
> >> >> >        lock_page_nosync(p);
> >> >> >
> >> >> > such small race windows can be found all over the kernel, it's just
> >> >> > insane to try to fix any of them.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't know there are intentional small race windows in kernel until you said.
> >> >> I thought kernel code is perfect so it wouldn't allow race window
> >> >> although it is very small. But you pointed out. Until now, My thought
> >> >> is wrong.
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you know else small race windows by intention ?
> >> >> If you know it, tell me, please. It can expand my sight. :)
> >> >
> >> > The memory failure code does not aim to rescue 100% page corruptions.
> >> > That's unreasonable goal - the kernel pages, slab pages (including the
> >> > big dcache/icache) are almost impossible to isolate.
> >> >
> >> > Comparing to the big slab pools, the migration and other race windows are
> >> > really too small to care about :)
> >>
> >> Also, If you will mention this contents as annotation, I will add my
> >> review sign.
> >
> > Good suggestion. Here is a patch for comment updates.
> >
> >> Thanks for kind reply for my boring discussion.
> >
> > Boring? Not at all :)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Fengguang
> >
> > ---
> >  mm/memory-failure.c |   76 +++++++++++++++++++++++++-----------------
> >  1 file changed, 47 insertions(+), 29 deletions(-)
> >
> > --- sound-2.6.orig/mm/memory-failure.c
> > +++ sound-2.6/mm/memory-failure.c
> > @@ -1,4 +1,8 @@
> >  /*
> > + * linux/mm/memory-failure.c
> > + *
> > + * High level machine check handler.
> > + *
> >  * Copyright (C) 2008, 2009 Intel Corporation
> >  * Authors: Andi Kleen, Fengguang Wu
> >  *
> > @@ -6,29 +10,36 @@
> >  * the GNU General Public License ("GPL") version 2 only as published by the
> >  * Free Software Foundation.
> >  *
> > - * High level machine check handler. Handles pages reported by the
> > - * hardware as being corrupted usually due to a 2bit ECC memory or cache
> > - * failure.
> > - *
> > - * This focuses on pages detected as corrupted in the background.
> > - * When the current CPU tries to consume corruption the currently
> > - * running process can just be killed directly instead. This implies
> > - * that if the error cannot be handled for some reason it's safe to
> > - * just ignore it because no corruption has been consumed yet. Instead
> > - * when that happens another machine check will happen.
> > - *
> > - * Handles page cache pages in various states. The tricky part
> > - * here is that we can access any page asynchronous to other VM
> > - * users, because memory failures could happen anytime and anywhere,
> > - * possibly violating some of their assumptions. This is why this code
> > - * has to be extremely careful. Generally it tries to use normal locking
> > - * rules, as in get the standard locks, even if that means the
> > - * error handling takes potentially a long time.
> > - *
> > - * The operation to map back from RMAP chains to processes has to walk
> > - * the complete process list and has non linear complexity with the number
> > - * mappings. In short it can be quite slow. But since memory corruptions
> > - * are rare we hope to get away with this.
> > + * Pages are reported by the hardware as being corrupted usually due to a
> > + * 2bit ECC memory or cache failure. Machine check can either be raised when
> > + * corruption is found in background memory scrubbing, or when someone tries to
> > + * consume the corruption. This code focuses on the former case.  If it cannot
> > + * handle the error for some reason it's safe to just ignore it because no
> > + * corruption has been consumed yet. Instead when that happens another (deadly)
> > + * machine check will happen.
> > + *
> > + * The tricky part here is that we can access any page asynchronous to other VM
> > + * users, because memory failures could happen anytime and anywhere, possibly
> > + * violating some of their assumptions. This is why this code has to be
> > + * extremely careful. Generally it tries to use normal locking rules, as in get
> > + * the standard locks, even if that means the error handling takes potentially
> > + * a long time.
> > + *
> > + * We don't aim to rescue 100% corruptions. That's unreasonable goal - the
> > + * kernel text and slab pages (including the big dcache/icache) are almost
> > + * impossible to isolate. We also try to keep the code clean by ignoring the
> > + * other thousands of small corruption windows.
> 
> other thousands of small corruption windows(ex, migration, ...)
> As far as you know , please write down them.

Like this:

        new_page = alloc_page();
        <small corruption window>
        write to new_page
        <small corruption window>
        read from new_page

> Anyway, I already added my sign.
> Thanks for your effort never get exhausted. :)

You are welcome :)

Thanks,
Fengguang

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	"riel@redhat.com" <riel@redhat.com>,
	"chris.mason@oracle.com" <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/22] HWPOISON: Handle hardware poisoned pages in try_to_unmap
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:58:38 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090619015838.GA6192@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <28c262360906180631i25ea6a18mbdc5be31c2346c04@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 09:31:52PM +0800, Minchan Kim wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Wu Fengguang<fengguang.wu@intel.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:03:37PM +0800, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Wu Fengguang<fengguang.wu@intel.com> wrote:
> >> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 09:44:39PM +0800, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >> >> It is private mail for my question.
> >> >> I don't want to make noise in LKML.
> >> >> And I don't want to disturb your progress to merge HWPoison.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Because this race window is small enough:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > A  A  A  A TestSetPageHWPoison(p);
> >> >> > A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  lock_page(page);
> >> >> > A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  try_to_unmap(page, TTU_MIGRATION|...);
> >> >> > A  A  A  A lock_page_nosync(p);
> >> >> >
> >> >> > such small race windows can be found all over the kernel, it's just
> >> >> > insane to try to fix any of them.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't know there are intentional small race windows in kernel until you said.
> >> >> I thought kernel code is perfect so it wouldn't allow race window
> >> >> although it is very small. But you pointed out. Until now, My thought
> >> >> is wrong.
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you know else small race windows by intention ?
> >> >> If you know it, tell me, please. It can expand my sight. :)
> >> >
> >> > The memory failure code does not aim to rescue 100% page corruptions.
> >> > That's unreasonable goal - the kernel pages, slab pages (including the
> >> > big dcache/icache) are almost impossible to isolate.
> >> >
> >> > Comparing to the big slab pools, the migration and other race windows are
> >> > really too small to care about :)
> >>
> >> Also, If you will mention this contents as annotation, I will add my
> >> review sign.
> >
> > Good suggestion. Here is a patch for comment updates.
> >
> >> Thanks for kind reply for my boring discussion.
> >
> > Boring? Not at all :)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Fengguang
> >
> > ---
> > A mm/memory-failure.c | A  76 +++++++++++++++++++++++++-----------------
> > A 1 file changed, 47 insertions(+), 29 deletions(-)
> >
> > --- sound-2.6.orig/mm/memory-failure.c
> > +++ sound-2.6/mm/memory-failure.c
> > @@ -1,4 +1,8 @@
> > A /*
> > + * linux/mm/memory-failure.c
> > + *
> > + * High level machine check handler.
> > + *
> > A * Copyright (C) 2008, 2009 Intel Corporation
> > A * Authors: Andi Kleen, Fengguang Wu
> > A *
> > @@ -6,29 +10,36 @@
> > A * the GNU General Public License ("GPL") version 2 only as published by the
> > A * Free Software Foundation.
> > A *
> > - * High level machine check handler. Handles pages reported by the
> > - * hardware as being corrupted usually due to a 2bit ECC memory or cache
> > - * failure.
> > - *
> > - * This focuses on pages detected as corrupted in the background.
> > - * When the current CPU tries to consume corruption the currently
> > - * running process can just be killed directly instead. This implies
> > - * that if the error cannot be handled for some reason it's safe to
> > - * just ignore it because no corruption has been consumed yet. Instead
> > - * when that happens another machine check will happen.
> > - *
> > - * Handles page cache pages in various states. The tricky part
> > - * here is that we can access any page asynchronous to other VM
> > - * users, because memory failures could happen anytime and anywhere,
> > - * possibly violating some of their assumptions. This is why this code
> > - * has to be extremely careful. Generally it tries to use normal locking
> > - * rules, as in get the standard locks, even if that means the
> > - * error handling takes potentially a long time.
> > - *
> > - * The operation to map back from RMAP chains to processes has to walk
> > - * the complete process list and has non linear complexity with the number
> > - * mappings. In short it can be quite slow. But since memory corruptions
> > - * are rare we hope to get away with this.
> > + * Pages are reported by the hardware as being corrupted usually due to a
> > + * 2bit ECC memory or cache failure. Machine check can either be raised when
> > + * corruption is found in background memory scrubbing, or when someone tries to
> > + * consume the corruption. This code focuses on the former case. A If it cannot
> > + * handle the error for some reason it's safe to just ignore it because no
> > + * corruption has been consumed yet. Instead when that happens another (deadly)
> > + * machine check will happen.
> > + *
> > + * The tricky part here is that we can access any page asynchronous to other VM
> > + * users, because memory failures could happen anytime and anywhere, possibly
> > + * violating some of their assumptions. This is why this code has to be
> > + * extremely careful. Generally it tries to use normal locking rules, as in get
> > + * the standard locks, even if that means the error handling takes potentially
> > + * a long time.
> > + *
> > + * We don't aim to rescue 100% corruptions. That's unreasonable goal - the
> > + * kernel text and slab pages (including the big dcache/icache) are almost
> > + * impossible to isolate. We also try to keep the code clean by ignoring the
> > + * other thousands of small corruption windows.
> 
> other thousands of small corruption windows(ex, migration, ...)
> As far as you know , please write down them.

Like this:

        new_page = alloc_page();
        <small corruption window>
        write to new_page
        <small corruption window>
        read from new_page

> Anyway, I already added my sign.
> Thanks for your effort never get exhausted. :)

You are welcome :)

Thanks,
Fengguang

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Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-15  2:45 [PATCH 00/22] HWPOISON: Intro (v5) Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 01/22] HWPOISON: Add page flag for poisoned pages Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 02/22] HWPOISON: Export some rmap vma locking to outside world Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 03/22] HWPOISON: Add support for poison swap entries v2 Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 04/22] HWPOISON: Add new SIGBUS error codes for hardware poison signals Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 05/22] HWPOISON: Add basic support for poisoned pages in fault handler v3 Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 06/22] HWPOISON: x86: Add VM_FAULT_HWPOISON handling to x86 page fault handler v2 Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 07/22] HWPOISON: define VM_FAULT_HWPOISON to 0 when feature is disabled Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 08/22] HWPOISON: Use bitmask/action code for try_to_unmap behaviour Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 09/22] HWPOISON: Handle hardware poisoned pages in try_to_unmap Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15 13:09   ` Minchan Kim
2009-06-15 13:09     ` Minchan Kim
2009-06-15 15:26     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15 15:26       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-16  0:03       ` Minchan Kim
2009-06-16  0:03         ` Minchan Kim
2009-06-16 13:49         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-16 13:49           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-17  0:28           ` Minchan Kim
2009-06-17  0:28             ` Minchan Kim
2009-06-17  7:23             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-17  7:23               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-17 13:27               ` Minchan Kim
2009-06-17 13:27                 ` Minchan Kim
2009-06-17 13:37                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-17 13:37                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-17 13:43                   ` Minchan Kim
2009-06-17 13:43                     ` Minchan Kim
2009-06-17 14:03                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-17 14:03                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-17 14:08                       ` Minchan Kim
2009-06-17 14:08                         ` Minchan Kim
2009-06-17 14:12                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-17 14:12                           ` Wu Fengguang
     [not found]               ` <28c262360906170644w65c08a8y2d2805fb08045804@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                 ` <20090617135543.GA8079@localhost>
     [not found]                   ` <28c262360906170703h3363b68dp74471358f647921e@mail.gmail.com>
2009-06-18 12:14                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-18 12:14                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-18 13:31                       ` Minchan Kim
2009-06-18 13:31                         ` Minchan Kim
2009-06-19  1:58                         ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2009-06-19  1:58                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 10/22] HWPOISON: check and isolate corrupted free pages v2 Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  9:41   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-06-15  9:41     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-06-15 10:16     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15 10:16       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15 23:52       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-06-15 23:52         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-06-16  0:34         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-16  0:34           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-16 11:29           ` Hugh Dickins
2009-06-16 11:29             ` Hugh Dickins
2009-06-16 11:40             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-16 11:40               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 11/22] HWPOISON: Refactor truncate to allow direct truncating of page v3 Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 12/22] HWPOISON: The high level memory error handler in the VM v7 Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 13/22] HWPOISON: Add madvise() based injector for hardware poisoned pages v3 Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 14/22] HWPOISON: Add simple debugfs interface to inject hwpoison on arbitary PFNs Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 15/22] HWPOISON: early kill cleanups and fixes Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 16/22] mm: move page flag numbers for user space to page-flags.h Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 17/22] HWPOISON: introduce struct hwpoison_control Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 18/22] HWPOISON: use compound head page Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 19/22] HWPOISON: detect free buddy pages explicitly Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 20/22] HWPOISON: collect infos that reflect the impact of the memory corruption Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 21/22] HWPOISON: send uevent to report " Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  6:29   ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-15  6:29     ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-15  9:56     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  9:56       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-16  0:35   ` Greg KH
2009-06-16  0:35     ` Greg KH
2009-06-15  2:45 ` [PATCH 22/22] HWPOISON: FOR TESTING: Enable memory failure code unconditionally Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  2:45   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  3:18 ` [PATCH 00/22] HWPOISON: Intro (v5) Balbir Singh
2009-06-15  3:18   ` Balbir Singh
2009-06-15  4:27   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  4:27     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  6:44     ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-15  6:44       ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-15  7:09       ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-15  7:09         ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-15  7:19         ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-15  7:19           ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-15 12:10           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15 12:10             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15 12:25             ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-15 12:25               ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-15 14:22               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15 14:22                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-17  6:37                 ` [RFC][PATCH] HWPOISON: only early kill processes who installed SIGBUS handler Wu Fengguang
2009-06-17  6:37                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-17  8:04                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-17  8:04                     ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-17  9:55                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-17  9:55                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-17 10:00                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-17 10:00                         ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-17 11:56                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-17 11:56                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-18  9:56                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-18  9:56                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15  8:14       ` [PATCH 00/22] HWPOISON: Intro (v5) Nick Piggin
2009-06-15  8:14         ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-15 10:09         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15 10:09           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15 10:36           ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-15 10:36             ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-15 11:41             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15 11:41               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-15 12:51     ` Hugh Dickins
2009-06-15 12:51       ` Hugh Dickins
2009-06-15 13:00       ` Alan Cox
2009-06-15 13:00         ` Alan Cox
2009-06-15 13:29         ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-15 13:29           ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-15 13:28           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-06-15 13:28             ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-06-15 14:48           ` Alan Cox
2009-06-15 14:48             ` Alan Cox
2009-06-15 15:24             ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-15 15:24               ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-15 15:28               ` Alan Cox
2009-06-15 15:28                 ` Alan Cox
2009-06-15 16:19                 ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-15 16:19                   ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-15 16:28                   ` Alan Cox
2009-06-15 16:28                     ` Alan Cox
2009-06-15 17:07                     ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-15 17:07                       ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-16 19:44           ` Russ Anderson
2009-06-16 19:44             ` Russ Anderson
2009-06-16 20:28             ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-06-16 20:28               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-06-16 20:54               ` Russ Anderson
2009-06-16 20:54                 ` Russ Anderson
2009-06-16 20:58                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-06-16 20:58                   ` H. Peter Anvin

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