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From: Valerie Aurora <vaurora@redhat.com>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Cc: Erez Zadok <ezk-EX0cT3Az47bauI2f2gSDlQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Jan Blunck <jblunck@suse.de>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Union mounts, NFS, and locking
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:25:13 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090716172512.GM27582@shell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090715172758.GA13893@fieldses.org>

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 01:27:59PM -0400, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 06:05:16PM -0400, Valerie Aurora wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 04:36:40PM -0400, Erez Zadok wrote:
> > > In message <20090714201940.GF27582@shell>, Valerie Aurora writes:
> > >
> > > > Okay, so my best idea for a solution is to introduce a new NFS mount
> > > > option that means the server promises that the exported file system is
> > > > read-only (using superblock read-only count scheme locally).  E.g.:
> 
> Language nitpick: the term "read-only" is confusing.  Files
> (/proc/mounts) and filesystems (nfs) that are "read-only" can still
> change.
> 
> I'd be happier with "unchanging" or "constant" or "static".

What about "immutable"?  It should be familiar from inode attributes.

> The mount options aren't really in the protocol--so it'd probably take
> the form of a filesystem-granularity attribute that the client could
> query (and then fail the mount if the client didn't like the answer).
> 
> But even then: the fact is that someone will want to update the
> filesystem some day.  And there's no way to force every client
> administrator to remount.  So we'd have to decide how to handle that
> case.

Agreed.  I'm no NFS expert, but I think that treating it as if the NFS
server had stopped responding might be a start?

-VAL

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From: Valerie Aurora <vaurora-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Erez Zadok <ezk-EX0cT3Az47bauI2f2gSDlQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Trond Myklebust
	<Trond.Myklebust-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Alexander Viro
	<viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>,
	Jan Blunck <jblunck-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Union mounts, NFS, and locking
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:25:13 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090716172512.GM27582@shell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090715172758.GA13893-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 01:27:59PM -0400, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 06:05:16PM -0400, Valerie Aurora wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 04:36:40PM -0400, Erez Zadok wrote:
> > > In message <20090714201940.GF27582@shell>, Valerie Aurora writes:
> > >
> > > > Okay, so my best idea for a solution is to introduce a new NFS mount
> > > > option that means the server promises that the exported file system is
> > > > read-only (using superblock read-only count scheme locally).  E.g.:
> 
> Language nitpick: the term "read-only" is confusing.  Files
> (/proc/mounts) and filesystems (nfs) that are "read-only" can still
> change.
> 
> I'd be happier with "unchanging" or "constant" or "static".

What about "immutable"?  It should be familiar from inode attributes.

> The mount options aren't really in the protocol--so it'd probably take
> the form of a filesystem-granularity attribute that the client could
> query (and then fail the mount if the client didn't like the answer).
> 
> But even then: the fact is that someone will want to update the
> filesystem some day.  And there's no way to force every client
> administrator to remount.  So we'd have to decide how to handle that
> case.

Agreed.  I'm no NFS expert, but I think that treating it as if the NFS
server had stopped responding might be a start?

-VAL
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  reply	other threads:[~2009-07-16 17:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-14 17:48 Union mounts, NFS, and locking Valerie Aurora
2009-07-14 17:48 ` Valerie Aurora
2009-07-14 18:19 ` Erez Zadok
2009-07-14 18:19   ` Erez Zadok
     [not found]   ` <200907141819.n6EIJQi1014319-zop+azHP2WsZjdeEBZXbMidm6ipF23ct@public.gmane.org>
2009-07-14 20:19     ` Valerie Aurora
2009-07-14 20:19       ` Valerie Aurora
2009-07-14 20:36       ` Erez Zadok
2009-07-14 20:36         ` Erez Zadok
     [not found]         ` <200907142036.n6EKaexe017464-zop+azHP2WsZjdeEBZXbMidm6ipF23ct@public.gmane.org>
2009-07-14 22:05           ` Valerie Aurora
2009-07-14 22:05             ` Valerie Aurora
2009-07-14 22:33             ` Erez Zadok
2009-07-14 22:33               ` Erez Zadok
2009-07-14 22:55               ` Trond Myklebust
2009-07-14 22:55                 ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                 ` <1247612140.5332.11.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-07-16  0:15                   ` Erez Zadok
2009-07-16  0:15                     ` Erez Zadok
2009-07-15  0:19               ` Valerie Aurora
2009-07-15 17:27             ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-07-15 17:27               ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-07-16 17:25               ` Valerie Aurora [this message]
2009-07-16 17:25                 ` Valerie Aurora
2009-07-16 21:22               ` David P. Quigley
2009-07-16 21:22                 ` David P. Quigley

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