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From: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Paul Menage <menage@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch -mm v2] mm: introduce oom_adj_child
Date: Mon,  3 Aug 2009 21:12:53 +0900 (JST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090803211112.CC23.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090803200639.CC1D.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>


One mistake.

> > > And, May I explay why I think your oom_adj_child is wrong idea?
> > > The fact is: new feature introducing never fix regression. yes, some
> > > application use new interface and disappear the problem. but other
> > > application still hit the problem. that's not correct development style
> > > in kernel.
> > > 
> > 
> > So you're proposing that we forever allow /proc/pid/oom_score to be 
> > completely wrong for pid without any knowledge to userspace?  That we 
> > falsely advertise what it represents and allow userspace to believe that 
> > changing oom_adj for a thread sharing memory with other threads actually 
> > changes how the oom killer selects tasks?
> 
> No. perhaps no doublly.
> 
> 1) In my patch, oom_score is also per-process value. all thread have the same
>    oom_score.
>    It's clear meaning.

it's wrong explanation. oom_score is calculated from the same oom_adj.
but it have each different oom_score. sorry my confused.



> 2) In almost case, oom_score display collect value because oom_adj is per-process
>    value too. 
>    Yes, there is one exception. vfork() and change oom_adj'ed process might display 
>    wrong value. but I don't think it is serious problem because vfork() process call
>    exec() soon.
>    Administrator never recognize this difference.
> 
> > Please.
> 
> David, I hope you join to fix this regression. I can't believe we
> can't fix this issue honestly.
> 
> 
> 




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From: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Paul Menage <menage@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch -mm v2] mm: introduce oom_adj_child
Date: Mon,  3 Aug 2009 21:12:53 +0900 (JST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090803211112.CC23.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090803200639.CC1D.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>


One mistake.

> > > And, May I explay why I think your oom_adj_child is wrong idea?
> > > The fact is: new feature introducing never fix regression. yes, some
> > > application use new interface and disappear the problem. but other
> > > application still hit the problem. that's not correct development style
> > > in kernel.
> > > 
> > 
> > So you're proposing that we forever allow /proc/pid/oom_score to be 
> > completely wrong for pid without any knowledge to userspace?  That we 
> > falsely advertise what it represents and allow userspace to believe that 
> > changing oom_adj for a thread sharing memory with other threads actually 
> > changes how the oom killer selects tasks?
> 
> No. perhaps no doublly.
> 
> 1) In my patch, oom_score is also per-process value. all thread have the same
>    oom_score.
>    It's clear meaning.

it's wrong explanation. oom_score is calculated from the same oom_adj.
but it have each different oom_score. sorry my confused.



> 2) In almost case, oom_score display collect value because oom_adj is per-process
>    value too. 
>    Yes, there is one exception. vfork() and change oom_adj'ed process might display 
>    wrong value. but I don't think it is serious problem because vfork() process call
>    exec() soon.
>    Administrator never recognize this difference.
> 
> > Please.
> 
> David, I hope you join to fix this regression. I can't believe we
> can't fix this issue honestly.
> 
> 
> 



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  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-03 12:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-29  4:27 [patch -mm v2] mm: introduce oom_adj_child David Rientjes
2009-07-29  4:27 ` David Rientjes
2009-07-29 23:13 ` Andrew Morton
2009-07-29 23:13   ` Andrew Morton
2009-07-29 23:25   ` Paul Menage
2009-07-29 23:25     ` Paul Menage
2009-07-30  2:32 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-07-30  2:32   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-07-30  7:06   ` David Rientjes
2009-07-30  7:06     ` David Rientjes
2009-07-31  6:47     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-07-31  6:47       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-07-31  9:31       ` David Rientjes
2009-07-31  9:31         ` David Rientjes
2009-08-03 11:58         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-03 11:58           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-03 12:12           ` KOSAKI Motohiro [this message]
2009-08-03 12:12             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-07-30  9:00 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-07-30  9:00   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-07-30  9:31   ` David Rientjes
2009-07-30  9:31     ` David Rientjes
2009-07-30 10:02     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-07-30 10:02       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-07-30 19:05       ` David Rientjes
2009-07-30 19:05         ` David Rientjes
2009-07-31  0:33         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-07-31  0:33           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-07-31  6:50           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-07-31  6:50             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-07-31 19:38             ` David Rientjes
2009-07-31 19:38               ` David Rientjes
2009-08-03 12:16               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-03 12:16                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-07-31  9:36           ` David Rientjes
2009-07-31  9:36             ` David Rientjes
2009-07-31 10:49             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-07-31 10:49               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-07-31 19:18               ` David Rientjes
2009-07-31 19:18                 ` David Rientjes
2009-08-01  1:10                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-01  1:10                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-01 20:26                   ` David Rientjes
2009-08-01 20:26                     ` David Rientjes
2009-08-03  1:42                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-03  1:42                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-03  7:59                       ` David Rientjes
2009-08-03  7:59                         ` David Rientjes
2009-08-03  8:02                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-03  8:02                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-03  8:08                           ` David Rientjes
2009-08-03  8:08                             ` David Rientjes
2009-08-03  8:45                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-03  8:45                               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-03  8:55                               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-03  8:55                                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-03 12:19                                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-03 12:19                                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-03 12:32                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-03 12:32                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-03 12:21                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-03 12:21                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-03 16:17                     ` Paul Menage
2009-08-03 16:17                       ` Paul Menage

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