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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lm-sensors <lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org>,
	linux-acpi <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] hwmon: Enhance the sysfs API for power meters.
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 23:48:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090808214830.GC24153@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090808174020.GA29600@tux1.beaverton.ibm.com>

On Sat 2009-08-08 10:40:20, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 08:09:06PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > 
> > > @@ -365,6 +373,16 @@ power[1-*]_average_lowest	Historical average minimum power use
> > >  				Unit: microWatt
> > >  				RO
> > >  
> > > +power[1-*]_average_max		A notification is sent when power use
> > > +				rises above this value.
> > > +				Unit: microWatt
> > > +				RW
> > > +
> > 
> > How is the notification sent?
> 
> ACPI Notify is sent to the kernel, which passes it to the ACPI
> netlink socket.

Uhuh. This is hwmon documentation AFAICT; so a) it should be
documented here, and b) interface should be generic so that it works
without ACPI, too.

> > > +power[1-*]_average_min		A notification is sent when power use
> > > +				sinks below this value.
> > > +				Unit: microWatt
> > > +				RW
> > 
> > And what is this good for? Will it wake from sleep? Will it wake from
> > C3?
> 
> All it really does is generates an ACPI Notify event, which is a hint to the OS
> that it could re-read the power meter use.

So it is one-shot? Document that.

> > ...seems like good way to prevent deep sleep states.
> > 
> > > +power[1-*]_cap			If power use rises above this limit, the
> > > +				system should take action to reduce
> > > power use.
> > 
> > System as in 'hw'? Or who? And how?
> 
> The ACPI spec is silent on this matter.  It's not clear if the OS is supposed
> to monitor and take action on its own when power > cap, or if the hardware/BIOS
> will take action, or possibly both...?

Having user<->kernel interface that is well... uh... undocumented
makes little sense.
									Pavel
-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lm-sensors <lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org>,
	linux-acpi <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [lm-sensors] [PATCH 1/2] hwmon: Enhance the sysfs API for power
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 21:48:30 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090808214830.GC24153@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090808174020.GA29600@tux1.beaverton.ibm.com>

On Sat 2009-08-08 10:40:20, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 08:09:06PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > 
> > > @@ -365,6 +373,16 @@ power[1-*]_average_lowest	Historical average minimum power use
> > >  				Unit: microWatt
> > >  				RO
> > >  
> > > +power[1-*]_average_max		A notification is sent when power use
> > > +				rises above this value.
> > > +				Unit: microWatt
> > > +				RW
> > > +
> > 
> > How is the notification sent?
> 
> ACPI Notify is sent to the kernel, which passes it to the ACPI
> netlink socket.

Uhuh. This is hwmon documentation AFAICT; so a) it should be
documented here, and b) interface should be generic so that it works
without ACPI, too.

> > > +power[1-*]_average_min		A notification is sent when power use
> > > +				sinks below this value.
> > > +				Unit: microWatt
> > > +				RW
> > 
> > And what is this good for? Will it wake from sleep? Will it wake from
> > C3?
> 
> All it really does is generates an ACPI Notify event, which is a hint to the OS
> that it could re-read the power meter use.

So it is one-shot? Document that.

> > ...seems like good way to prevent deep sleep states.
> > 
> > > +power[1-*]_cap			If power use rises above this limit, the
> > > +				system should take action to reduce
> > > power use.
> > 
> > System as in 'hw'? Or who? And how?
> 
> The ACPI spec is silent on this matter.  It's not clear if the OS is supposed
> to monitor and take action on its own when power > cap, or if the hardware/BIOS
> will take action, or possibly both...?

Having user<->kernel interface that is well... uh... undocumented
makes little sense.
									Pavel
-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-08 21:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-25  0:43 [PATCH 0/2] ACPI 4.0 power meter Darrick J. Wong
2009-07-25  0:43 ` [lm-sensors] " Darrick J. Wong
2009-07-25  0:43 ` [PATCH 1/2] hwmon: Enhance the sysfs API for power meters Darrick J. Wong
2009-07-25  0:43   ` [lm-sensors] [PATCH 1/2] hwmon: Enhance the sysfs API for power Darrick J. Wong
2009-08-07 18:09   ` [PATCH 1/2] hwmon: Enhance the sysfs API for power meters Pavel Machek
2009-08-07 18:09     ` [lm-sensors] [PATCH 1/2] hwmon: Enhance the sysfs API for power Pavel Machek
2009-08-08 17:40     ` [PATCH 1/2] hwmon: Enhance the sysfs API for power meters Darrick J. Wong
2009-08-08 17:40       ` [lm-sensors] [PATCH 1/2] hwmon: Enhance the sysfs API for power Darrick J. Wong
2009-08-08 21:48       ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2009-08-08 21:48         ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-10 21:12         ` [PATCH 1/2] hwmon: Enhance the sysfs API for power meters Darrick J. Wong
2009-08-10 21:12           ` [lm-sensors] [PATCH 1/2] hwmon: Enhance the sysfs API for power Darrick J. Wong
2009-08-12 11:56           ` [PATCH 1/2] hwmon: Enhance the sysfs API for power meters Pavel Machek
2009-08-12 11:56             ` [lm-sensors] [PATCH 1/2] hwmon: Enhance the sysfs API for power Pavel Machek
2009-08-18 23:32             ` [PATCH 1/2] hwmon: Enhance the sysfs API for power meters Darrick J. Wong
2009-08-18 23:32               ` [lm-sensors] [PATCH 1/2] hwmon: Enhance the sysfs API for power Darrick J. Wong
2009-07-25  0:43 ` [PATCH 2/2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for ACPI 4.0 power meters Darrick J. Wong
2009-07-25  0:43   ` [lm-sensors] [PATCH 2/2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for ACPI Darrick J. Wong
2009-07-27  1:44   ` [PATCH 2/2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for ACPI 4.0 power meters ykzhao
2009-07-27  1:44     ` [lm-sensors] [PATCH 2/2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for ykzhao
2009-08-03 20:48     ` [PATCH 2/2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for ACPI 4.0 power meters Darrick J. Wong
2009-08-03 20:48       ` [lm-sensors] [PATCH 2/2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for Darrick J. Wong
2009-07-27  6:45   ` [PATCH 2/2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for ACPI 4.0 power meters Zhang Rui
2009-07-27  6:45     ` [lm-sensors] [PATCH 2/2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for Zhang Rui
2009-08-03 20:52     ` [PATCH 2/2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for ACPI 4.0 power meters Darrick J. Wong
2009-08-03 20:52       ` Darrick J. Wong
2009-08-03 20:52       ` [lm-sensors] [PATCH 2/2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for Darrick J. Wong
2009-07-28  1:25   ` [PATCH 2/2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for ACPI 4.0 power meters Len Brown
2009-07-28  1:25     ` [lm-sensors] [PATCH 2/2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for Len Brown
2009-08-03 20:58     ` [PATCH 2/2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for ACPI 4.0 power meters Darrick J. Wong
2009-08-03 20:58       ` [lm-sensors] [PATCH 2/2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for Darrick J. Wong
2009-08-06 20:42       ` [PATCH v2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for ACPI 4.0 power meters Darrick J. Wong
2009-08-06 20:42         ` [lm-sensors] [PATCH v2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for ACPI 4.0 Darrick J. Wong
2009-08-17 22:05         ` [PATCH v2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for ACPI 4.0 power meters Andrew Morton
2009-08-17 22:05           ` [lm-sensors] [PATCH v2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for ACPI Andrew Morton
2009-08-18 16:24           ` [PATCH v2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for ACPI 4.0 power meters Darrick J. Wong
2009-08-18 16:24             ` [lm-sensors] [PATCH v2] acpi_power_meter: hwmon driver for ACPI Darrick J. Wong
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-08-18 23:47 [PATCH 0/2] ACPI 4.0 power meter Darrick J. Wong
2009-08-18 23:48 ` [PATCH 1/2] hwmon: Enhance the sysfs API for power meters Darrick J. Wong

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