From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
To: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
Oren Laadan <orenl@cs.columbia.edu>,
Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Stephen Smalley <sds@epoch.ncsc.mil>,
James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] cr: add generic LSM c/r support
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:41:47 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090829224147.GA12549@hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A98AEDE.1000105@schaufler-ca.com>
Quoting Casey Schaufler (casey@schaufler-ca.com):
> Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
...
> > Briefly, all security fields must be exported by the LSM as a simple
> > null-terminated string. They are checkpointed through the
> > security_checkpoint_obj() helper, because we must pass it an extra
> > sectype field. Splitting SECURITY_OBJ_SEC into one type per object
> > type would not work because, in Smack, one void* security is used for
> > all object types.
>
> I do not understand why the Smack behavior is a limitation here.
Well it's not the Smack behavior, it's the combination of Smack's
and SELinux's behavior :)
In the end what I have here is probably best anyway - what is
stored in the object hash is not a security struct as known
by any LSM, but a generic object label. So at
object_hash_types[CKPT_OBJ_SEC]->restore(), we don't re-create
an actual security struct, but just a string which is later
used by security_xyztype_restore() to create an actual label.
> > But we must pass the sectype field because in
> > SELinux a different type of structure is stashed in each object type.
>
> But each can be expressed as a context, can't it?
A set of contexts (root_u:root_r:root_t:::system_u:system_r\
:system_t::...).
There would be a problem if it were stored as a more
structured type, and if the ->restore handler wanted to
re-create an actual task_security_struct, ipc_security_struct,
etc. So the last paragraph in the patch intro was just trying to
explain why the intermediate layer, storing a generic string on
the c/r object hash, needs to be there. The thing that is
not possible is to place the actual void *security or a struct
task_security_struct on the objhash.
...
> > + /* str will be alloc'ed for us by the LSM. We will free it when
> > + * we clear out our hashtable */
> >
>
> Why do you think that you need a copy? Sure, SELinux always gives you
> a copy, but Smack keeps "contexts" around and making a copy is not only
> unnecessary, but wasteful. If you free the "context" with the appropriate
> call (security_release_secctx) you will get the "free allocated memory"
> behavior desired by SELinux and the "do nothing" behavior of Smack. For
> free, assuming that you also fix your Smack hook so that it works in the
> way Smack deems "Correct".
Hmm, that should be doable. Mind you these are not the same as
secctx's returned by secid_to_secctx. Though selinux_release_secctx
is implemented as a simple kfree, so it would 'just work.' I'm
not sure if it's better to just re-use it, or introduce a new
security_release_context() that does the same thing...
thanks,
-serge
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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
To: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
Oren Laadan <orenl@cs.columbia.edu>,
Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Stephen Smalley <sds@epoch.ncsc.mil>,
James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] cr: add generic LSM c/r support
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:41:47 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090829224147.GA12549@hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A98AEDE.1000105@schaufler-ca.com>
Quoting Casey Schaufler (casey@schaufler-ca.com):
> Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
...
> > Briefly, all security fields must be exported by the LSM as a simple
> > null-terminated string. They are checkpointed through the
> > security_checkpoint_obj() helper, because we must pass it an extra
> > sectype field. Splitting SECURITY_OBJ_SEC into one type per object
> > type would not work because, in Smack, one void* security is used for
> > all object types.
>
> I do not understand why the Smack behavior is a limitation here.
Well it's not the Smack behavior, it's the combination of Smack's
and SELinux's behavior :)
In the end what I have here is probably best anyway - what is
stored in the object hash is not a security struct as known
by any LSM, but a generic object label. So at
object_hash_types[CKPT_OBJ_SEC]->restore(), we don't re-create
an actual security struct, but just a string which is later
used by security_xyztype_restore() to create an actual label.
> > But we must pass the sectype field because in
> > SELinux a different type of structure is stashed in each object type.
>
> But each can be expressed as a context, can't it?
A set of contexts (root_u:root_r:root_t:::system_u:system_r\
:system_t::...).
There would be a problem if it were stored as a more
structured type, and if the ->restore handler wanted to
re-create an actual task_security_struct, ipc_security_struct,
etc. So the last paragraph in the patch intro was just trying to
explain why the intermediate layer, storing a generic string on
the c/r object hash, needs to be there. The thing that is
not possible is to place the actual void *security or a struct
task_security_struct on the objhash.
...
> > + /* str will be alloc'ed for us by the LSM. We will free it when
> > + * we clear out our hashtable */
> >
>
> Why do you think that you need a copy? Sure, SELinux always gives you
> a copy, but Smack keeps "contexts" around and making a copy is not only
> unnecessary, but wasteful. If you free the "context" with the appropriate
> call (security_release_secctx) you will get the "free allocated memory"
> behavior desired by SELinux and the "do nothing" behavior of Smack. For
> free, assuming that you also fix your Smack hook so that it works in the
> way Smack deems "Correct".
Hmm, that should be doable. Mind you these are not the same as
secctx's returned by secid_to_secctx. Though selinux_release_secctx
is implemented as a simple kfree, so it would 'just work.' I'm
not sure if it's better to just re-use it, or introduce a new
security_release_context() that does the same thing...
thanks,
-serge
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-08-29 22:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-08-28 21:00 [PATCH 1/5] cr: define ckpt_debug if CONFIG_CHECKPOINT=n Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-28 21:02 ` [PATCH 2/5] cr: checkpoint the active LSM and add RESTART_KEEP_LSM flag Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-28 21:02 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-28 21:03 ` [PATCH 1/1] mktree: accept the lsm_name field in header and add -k flag Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-28 21:03 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-29 4:43 ` [PATCH 2/5] cr: checkpoint the active LSM and add RESTART_KEEP_LSM flag Casey Schaufler
2009-08-29 4:43 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-29 22:59 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-29 22:59 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-30 0:03 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-30 0:03 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-30 13:48 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-30 13:48 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-30 18:58 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-30 18:58 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-30 20:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-30 20:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-30 21:43 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-30 21:43 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-31 13:22 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-31 13:22 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-31 13:36 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-31 13:36 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-09-01 5:51 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-09-01 5:51 ` Casey Schaufler
[not found] ` <4A9ACBD4.4020804-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-01 12:29 ` Russell Coker
2009-09-01 12:29 ` Russell Coker
2009-09-02 16:36 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-09-02 16:36 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-09-02 18:55 ` Shaya Potter
2009-09-02 22:27 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-09-02 22:27 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 3/5] cr: add generic LSM c/r support Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-28 21:04 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-29 4:30 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-29 4:30 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-29 22:41 ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2009-08-29 22:41 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-29 23:40 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-29 23:40 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-30 13:58 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-30 13:58 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-30 19:03 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-30 19:03 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-08-30 20:26 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-30 20:26 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <4A9ACD0A.9050004-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2009-08-31 12:45 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-08-31 12:45 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-09-01 5:49 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-09-01 5:49 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-09-04 13:38 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-09-04 13:38 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-28 21:04 ` [PATCH 4/5] cr: add smack support to lsm c/r Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-28 21:04 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-28 21:05 ` [PATCH 5/5] cr: add selinux support Serge E. Hallyn
2009-08-28 21:05 ` Serge E. Hallyn
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