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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: arjan@infradead.org, jeremy@goop.org, mschmidt@redhat.com,
	mingo@redhat.com, hpa@zytor.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	tj@kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kthreads: Fix startup synchronization boot crash
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 17:54:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090901155427.GA18078@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090901145526.GA31317@redhat.com>


* Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:

> On 09/01, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >
> > * Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 09/01, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > >
> > > > * Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yes, this should work. But I _think_ we can make the better fix...
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll try to make the patch soon. Afaics we don't need
> > > > > kthreadd_task_init_done.
> > > >
> > > > ok.
> > >
> > > Just in case, the patch is ready. [...]
> >
> > yes - that's roughly the cleanup i referred to in the commit log.
> >
> > way too late for -rc8 though - the minimal fix i did _might_ be
> > eligible.
> >
> > agreed?
> 
> Agreed. Then I will sent the patch on top of this change.
> 
> But. May be your minimal patch needs a small tweak ?
> 
> rest_init()->complete(&kthreadd_task_init_done) assumes that exactly
> _one_ caller of kthread_create() can race with kernel_thread(kthreadd).
> Perhap we need complete_all() ?
> 
> 
> But I must admit, now I don't understand what happens,
> 
> 	The modification of that variable is protected by the BKL, but
> 	the _ordering_ of the initial task (which becomes the idle
> 	thread of CPU0) and the init task (which is spawned by the
> 	initial task) is not synchronized.
> 
> 	So we can occasionally end up init running sooner than
> 	rest_init()
> 
> How? rest_init() can't be preempted and it holds BKL. And 
> kernel_init() takes BKL before anything else. Confused...

it cannot be preempted but it can schedule anywhere - and the BKL 
will be dropped silently.

This is one of the biggest dangers of the BKL - rescheduling 
_somewhere_ in a huge codepath might change timings and 'breaks up 
the critical path' - breaking ancient assumptions.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-01 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-29 16:27 [PATCH] x86: detect stack protector for i386 builds on x86_64 Michal Schmidt
2009-08-30 13:39 ` Américo Wang
2009-08-30 18:43 ` [tip:x86/asm] x86: Detect " tip-bot for Michal Schmidt
2009-09-01 10:03   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-01 11:39     ` [PATCH] kthreads: Fix startup synchronization boot crash Ingo Molnar
2009-09-01 13:04       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-01 13:14         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-01 13:37           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-01 13:59             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-01 14:55               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-01 15:54                 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-09-01 16:00                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-02 13:06                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-01 16:52                 ` [PATCH 0/1] kthreads: simplify !kthreadd_task logic, kill kthreadd_task_init_done Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-01 16:53                   ` [PATCH 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-01 23:22                   ` [PATCH 0/1] " Eric W. Biederman
2009-09-02  9:13                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-04  7:37                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-18 16:32                         ` Wu Fei
2009-09-18 18:54                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-18 19:17                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-09-18 21:12                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-18 21:15                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-18 22:06                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-09-18 23:11                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-09-18 23:22                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-18 23:38                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-09-01 15:08             ` [PATCH] kthreads: Fix startup synchronization boot crash Américo Wang
2009-09-01 15:19               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-08-31  6:21 ` [PATCH] x86: detect stack protector for i386 builds on x86_64 Tejun Heo

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