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From: Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com>
To: The development of GRUB 2 <grub-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: About firmware facilities
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:54:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090912125452.GB11249@thorin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.GSO.2.00.0909111404510.13483@oretfbsg.Jrfg.Fha.PBZ>

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 02:07:10PM -0700, Seth Goldberg wrote:
>
>   I strongly disagree with you in this specific case.  Our experience in  
> Solaris has demonstrated that PXE firmware is surprisingly robust (when 
> the right combination of API calls (i.e. those tested by Windows) are 
> used).  We have been successfully using PXE-based firmware for netbooting 
> for many years now, and we would like to continue to do so.  Maintaining 
> a driver collection for NICs is futile, IMHO.  Using the firmware that's 
> there, and that's reliable should be the goal.  Not all firmware is our 
> enemy :).

Reliing on proprietary firmware is a compromise.  We don't install the blobs
ourselves, so we're not responsible for them, but it is still problematic
because user has less freedom (firmware bugs is just the most notable
consequence of this).

So our compromise is to use firmware when we have no other choice, or when
the alternative is not reasonable (e.g. not mature or complete enough).

My goal as maintainer is to encourage development of a usable and complete
driver framework.  I'm open to discussion about accepting code for using
hardware support from firmware, but keep in mind it's not our primary goal.

In the specific case of network hardware, I'm more reluctant because it's
a regression compared to what we had in GRUB Legacy.

-- 
Robert Millan

  The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and
  how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we
  still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."



  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-09-12 12:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-09 14:07 PXEgrub development on grub2 Lars Nooden
2009-09-09 14:11 ` Felix Zielcke
2009-09-09 14:13   ` Lars Nooden
2009-09-09 15:04   ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-09 19:40     ` Seth Goldberg
2009-09-10 12:39       ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-10 13:01         ` Felix Zielcke
2009-09-10 21:17           ` Seth Goldberg
2009-09-11 13:17             ` Robert Millan
2009-09-11 21:07               ` Seth Goldberg
2009-09-12  0:05                 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-12  0:20                   ` Seth Goldberg
2009-09-12 12:54                 ` Robert Millan [this message]
2009-09-13 20:54                   ` About firmware facilities Seth Goldberg
2009-09-14 15:32                     ` Robert Millan
2009-09-14 18:57                       ` Brendan Trotter
2009-09-14 19:11                         ` Pavel Roskin
2009-09-14 20:12                           ` Brendan Trotter
2009-09-14 20:47                             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-14 20:49                             ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-09-14 23:23                               ` Brendan Trotter
2009-09-14 23:43                                 ` Colin Watson
2009-09-14 23:56                                   ` Brendan Trotter
2009-09-15  0:28                                     ` Colin Watson
2009-09-15  1:06                                       ` Brendan Trotter
2009-09-15  8:59                                 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-09-15 16:01                                   ` Brendan Trotter
2009-09-19 14:06                                     ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-09-20  9:04                                       ` Brendan Trotter
2009-09-20 10:38                                         ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-09-19 21:07                           ` Robert Millan
2009-09-10 18:59     ` PXEgrub development on grub2 Robert Millan
2009-09-17 22:39       ` Joey Korkames
2009-09-18  6:19         ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko

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