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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Sukadev Bhattiprolu
	<sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Linux Containers
	<containers-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	Daniel Lezcano <dlezcano-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	roland-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] signals: send_signal: use si_fromuser() to detect from_ancestor_ns
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:18:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091006131821.GA8628@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091006023401.GA10132-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

On 10/05, Sukadev Bhattiprolu wrote:
>
> Oleg Nesterov [oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org] wrote:
> | On 10/05, Sukadev Bhattiprolu wrote:
> | >
> | > Oleg Nesterov [oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org] wrote:
> | > | Sorry for confusion.
> | > |
> | > | > But sure, we could use force_sig_info() in caller.
> | > |
> | > | Yes, because this makes the code more explicit imho. And we can avoid
> | > | the further complicatiions in send_signal() path.
> | >
> | > Although, one small drawback would be the different behavior for the
> | > SIGKILL in load_aout_binary() to the container-init itself calling:
> | >
> | > 	kill(getpid(), SIGKILL);
> |
> | could you clarify? load_aout_binary(), like other ->load_binary()
> | methods does send_sig(SIGKILL, current, 0) ?
>
> Yes sorry for being cryptic.
>
> If we use force_sig_info() in ->load_binary() methods for the SIGKILL,
> they will, correctly, kill the container-init.
>
> But if the container-init itself calls kill(getpid(), SIGKILL), the
> container-init will not be killed.

Ah, now I see what you mean.

Yes sure, init can't kill itself with or without these changes. But,
I think this is supposed behaviour which we do not want to change?


Oh. And I guess I misunderstood you before. From the previous email

> Makes sense. And we had mentioned earlier that container-init is immune
> to suicide

I guess this is what you meant, and I fully agree.

When I said "I disagree with container-init is immune to suicide",
I wrongly thought that you suggest that load_binary()->kill(SIGKILL)
should have no effect. I have to apologize for confusion again.

I hope we finally understand each other ;)

Oleg.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Sukadev Bhattiprolu <sukadev@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Daniel Lezcano <dlezcano@fr.ibm.com>,
	Sukadev Bhattiprolu <sukadev@us.ibm.com>,
	Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>,
	roland@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] signals: send_signal: use si_fromuser() to detect from_ancestor_ns
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:18:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091006131821.GA8628@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091006023401.GA10132@us.ibm.com>

On 10/05, Sukadev Bhattiprolu wrote:
>
> Oleg Nesterov [oleg@redhat.com] wrote:
> | On 10/05, Sukadev Bhattiprolu wrote:
> | >
> | > Oleg Nesterov [oleg@redhat.com] wrote:
> | > | Sorry for confusion.
> | > |
> | > | > But sure, we could use force_sig_info() in caller.
> | > |
> | > | Yes, because this makes the code more explicit imho. And we can avoid
> | > | the further complicatiions in send_signal() path.
> | >
> | > Although, one small drawback would be the different behavior for the
> | > SIGKILL in load_aout_binary() to the container-init itself calling:
> | >
> | > 	kill(getpid(), SIGKILL);
> |
> | could you clarify? load_aout_binary(), like other ->load_binary()
> | methods does send_sig(SIGKILL, current, 0) ?
>
> Yes sorry for being cryptic.
>
> If we use force_sig_info() in ->load_binary() methods for the SIGKILL,
> they will, correctly, kill the container-init.
>
> But if the container-init itself calls kill(getpid(), SIGKILL), the
> container-init will not be killed.

Ah, now I see what you mean.

Yes sure, init can't kill itself with or without these changes. But,
I think this is supposed behaviour which we do not want to change?


Oh. And I guess I misunderstood you before. From the previous email

> Makes sense. And we had mentioned earlier that container-init is immune
> to suicide

I guess this is what you meant, and I fully agree.

When I said "I disagree with container-init is immune to suicide",
I wrongly thought that you suggest that load_binary()->kill(SIGKILL)
should have no effect. I have to apologize for confusion again.

I hope we finally understand each other ;)

Oleg.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-10-06 13:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-02 14:05 pidns : PR_SET_PDEATHSIG + SIGKILL regression Daniel Lezcano
     [not found] ` <4AC608BE.9020805-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-02 15:47   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]     ` <20091002154702.GB26864-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-03  0:39       ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]         ` <20091003003929.GA20034-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-03  2:52           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-03 17:10   ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-03 17:10     ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]     ` <20091003171029.GA30442-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-04  2:18       ` [PATCH 0/4] Was: " Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-04  2:18         ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]         ` <20091004021844.GA21006-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-04  2:19           ` [PATCH 1/4] signals: SEND_SIG_NOINFO should be considered as SI_FROMUSER() Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-04  2:19             ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]             ` <20091004021918.GB21006-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-04  2:25               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-04  2:25                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-05 17:58               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-05 17:58                 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                 ` <20091005175855.GB30442-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-05 18:39                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-05 18:39                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-06  0:09               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-06  0:09                 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-06  7:31               ` Roland McGrath
2009-10-06  7:31                 ` Roland McGrath
     [not found]                 ` <20091006073100.4184128-nL1rrgvulkc2UH6IwYuUx0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-06 13:37                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-06 13:37                     ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                     ` <20091006133732.GB8628-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-06 17:57                       ` Roland McGrath
2009-10-06 17:57                         ` Roland McGrath
     [not found]                         ` <20091006175705.6547A22-nL1rrgvulkc2UH6IwYuUx0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-07 11:30                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-07 11:30                             ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                             ` <20091007113049.GA3421-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-08  1:57                               ` Roland McGrath
2009-10-08  1:57                                 ` Roland McGrath
2009-10-04  2:19           ` [PATCH 2/4] signals: send_signal: use si_fromuser() to detect from_ancestor_ns Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-04  2:19             ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]             ` <20091004021954.GC21006-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-05 18:12               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-05 18:12                 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                 ` <20091005181255.GE30442-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-05 18:25                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-05 18:25                     ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                     ` <20091005182536.GA943-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-05 19:37                       ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-05 19:37                         ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                         ` <20091005193738.GF30442-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-05 19:44                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-05 19:44                             ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                             ` <20091005194415.GA4560-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-05 19:55                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-05 19:55                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-06  0:06                               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-06  0:06                                 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                                 ` <20091006000631.GA4390-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-06  1:09                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-06  1:09                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                     ` <20091006010956.GA28233-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-06  2:34                                       ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-06  2:34                                         ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]                                         ` <20091006023401.GA10132-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-06 13:18                                           ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2009-10-06 13:18                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                             ` <20091006131821.GA8628-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-06 18:01                                               ` Roland McGrath
2009-10-06 18:01                                                 ` Roland McGrath
2009-10-06  0:16               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-06  0:16                 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-04  2:20           ` [PATCH 3/4] signals: cosmetic, collect_signal: use SI_USER Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-04  2:20             ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]             ` <20091004022021.GD21006-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-05 18:03               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-05 18:03                 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-04  2:20           ` [PATCH 4/4] signals: kill force_sig_specific() Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-04  2:20             ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]             ` <20091004022050.GE21006-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-05 18:04               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-10-05 18:04                 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu

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