From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
Oleg Nesterov <onestero@redhat.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [resend][PATCH v2] mlock() doesn't wait to finish lru_add_drain_all()
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:51:39 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091012185139.75c13648.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091013090347.C752.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:17:48 +0900 (JST) KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> > On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:21:55 +0900 (JST)
> > KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Recently, Mike Galbraith reported mlock() makes hang-up very long time in
> > > his system. Peter Zijlstra explainted the reason.
> > >
> > > Suppose you have 2 cpus, cpu1 is busy doing a SCHED_FIFO-99 while(1),
> > > cpu0 does mlock()->lru_add_drain_all(), which does
> > > schedule_on_each_cpu(), which then waits for all cpus to complete the
> > > work. Except that cpu1, which is busy with the RT task, will never run
> > > keventd until the RT load goes away.
> > >
> > > This is not so much an actual deadlock as a serious starvation case.
> > >
> > > His system has two partions using cpusets and RT-task partion cpu doesn't
> > > have any PCP cache. thus, this result was pretty unexpected.
> > >
> > > The fact is, mlock() doesn't need to wait to finish lru_add_drain_all().
> > > if mlock() can't turn on PG_mlock, vmscan turn it on later.
> > >
> > > Thus, this patch replace it with lru_add_drain_all_async().
> >
> > So why don't we just remove the lru_add_drain_all() call from sys_mlock()?
>
> There are small reason. the administrators and the testers (include me)
> look at Mlock field in /proc/meminfo.
> They natually expect Mlock field match with actual number of mlocked pages
> if the system don't have any stress. Otherwise, we can't make mlock test case ;)
>
>
> > How did you work out why the lru_add_drain_all() is present in
> > sys_mlock() anyway? Neither the code nor the original changelog tell
> > us. Who do I thwap for that? Nick and his reviewers. Sigh.
>
> [Umm, My dictionaly don't tell me the meaning of "thwap". An meaning of
> an imitative word strongly depend on culture. Thus, I probably
> misunderstand this paragraph.]
"slap"?
> I've understand the existing reason by looooooong time review.
>
>
> > There are many callers of lru_add_drain_all() all over the place. Each
> > of those is vulnerable to the same starvation issue, is it not?
>
> There are.
>
> > If so, it would be better to just fix up lru_add_drain_all(). Afaict
> > all of its functions can be performed in hard IRQ context, so we can
> > use smp_call_function()?
>
> There is a option. but it have one downside, it require lru_add_pvecs
> related function call irq_disable().
I don't know what this means. ____pagevec_lru_add() (for example) can
be trivially changed from spin_lock_irq() to spin_lock_irqsave().
In other cases we can perhaps split an existing
foo()
{
spin_lock_irq(zone->lock);
}
into
__foo()
{
spin_lock(zone->lock);
}
foo()
{
local_irq_disable()
__foo();
}
then call the new __foo().
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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
Oleg Nesterov <onestero@redhat.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [resend][PATCH v2] mlock() doesn't wait to finish lru_add_drain_all()
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:51:39 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091012185139.75c13648.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091013090347.C752.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:17:48 +0900 (JST) KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> > On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:21:55 +0900 (JST)
> > KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Recently, Mike Galbraith reported mlock() makes hang-up very long time in
> > > his system. Peter Zijlstra explainted the reason.
> > >
> > > Suppose you have 2 cpus, cpu1 is busy doing a SCHED_FIFO-99 while(1),
> > > cpu0 does mlock()->lru_add_drain_all(), which does
> > > schedule_on_each_cpu(), which then waits for all cpus to complete the
> > > work. Except that cpu1, which is busy with the RT task, will never run
> > > keventd until the RT load goes away.
> > >
> > > This is not so much an actual deadlock as a serious starvation case.
> > >
> > > His system has two partions using cpusets and RT-task partion cpu doesn't
> > > have any PCP cache. thus, this result was pretty unexpected.
> > >
> > > The fact is, mlock() doesn't need to wait to finish lru_add_drain_all().
> > > if mlock() can't turn on PG_mlock, vmscan turn it on later.
> > >
> > > Thus, this patch replace it with lru_add_drain_all_async().
> >
> > So why don't we just remove the lru_add_drain_all() call from sys_mlock()?
>
> There are small reason. the administrators and the testers (include me)
> look at Mlock field in /proc/meminfo.
> They natually expect Mlock field match with actual number of mlocked pages
> if the system don't have any stress. Otherwise, we can't make mlock test case ;)
>
>
> > How did you work out why the lru_add_drain_all() is present in
> > sys_mlock() anyway? Neither the code nor the original changelog tell
> > us. Who do I thwap for that? Nick and his reviewers. Sigh.
>
> [Umm, My dictionaly don't tell me the meaning of "thwap". An meaning of
> an imitative word strongly depend on culture. Thus, I probably
> misunderstand this paragraph.]
"slap"?
> I've understand the existing reason by looooooong time review.
>
>
> > There are many callers of lru_add_drain_all() all over the place. Each
> > of those is vulnerable to the same starvation issue, is it not?
>
> There are.
>
> > If so, it would be better to just fix up lru_add_drain_all(). Afaict
> > all of its functions can be performed in hard IRQ context, so we can
> > use smp_call_function()?
>
> There is a option. but it have one downside, it require lru_add_pvecs
> related function call irq_disable().
I don't know what this means. ____pagevec_lru_add() (for example) can
be trivially changed from spin_lock_irq() to spin_lock_irqsave().
In other cases we can perhaps split an existing
foo()
{
spin_lock_irq(zone->lock);
}
into
__foo()
{
spin_lock(zone->lock);
}
foo()
{
local_irq_disable()
__foo();
}
then call the new __foo().
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Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-10-09 2:21 [resend][PATCH v2] mlock() doesn't wait to finish lru_add_drain_all() KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-09 2:21 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-12 23:57 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-12 23:57 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-13 1:17 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-13 1:17 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-13 1:51 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2009-10-13 1:51 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-13 3:18 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-13 3:18 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-13 3:35 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-13 3:35 ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-13 4:25 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
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