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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: John Kacur <jkacur@redhat.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arndbergmann@googlemail.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] macintosh: Explicitly set llseek to no_llseek in ans-lcd
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:16:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091021221619.GF4880@nowhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0910212350210.3526@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:53:21PM +0200, John Kacur wrote:
> > No problem with that. Setting no_llseek or generic_file_llseek_unlocked,
> > depending on the context is the right thing to do.
> > 
> > What I'm wondering about concerns the future code that will have
> > no llsek() implemented in their fops.
> > 
> > We can't continue to use default_llseek() for future code unless we
> > want to continue these post reviews and fixes forever.
> > 
> 
> I'm thinking that the simplier approach, would be to make the 
> default_llseek the unlocked one. Then you only have to audit the drivers 
> that have the BKL - ie the ones we are auditing anyway, and explicitly set 
> them to the bkl locked llseek.
> 
> There might be a hidden interaction though between the non-unlocked 
> variety of ioctls and default llseek though.


I fear that won't work because the bkl in default_llseek() does not
only synchronizes with others uses of the bkl in a driver, it also
synchronizes lseek() itself.

As an example offset change is not atomic. This is a long long, so
updating its value is not atomic in 32 bits archs.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: John Kacur <jkacur@redhat.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arndbergmann@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] macintosh: Explicitly set llseek to no_llseek in ans-lcd
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:16:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091021221619.GF4880@nowhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0910212350210.3526@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:53:21PM +0200, John Kacur wrote:
> > No problem with that. Setting no_llseek or generic_file_llseek_unlocked,
> > depending on the context is the right thing to do.
> > 
> > What I'm wondering about concerns the future code that will have
> > no llsek() implemented in their fops.
> > 
> > We can't continue to use default_llseek() for future code unless we
> > want to continue these post reviews and fixes forever.
> > 
> 
> I'm thinking that the simplier approach, would be to make the 
> default_llseek the unlocked one. Then you only have to audit the drivers 
> that have the BKL - ie the ones we are auditing anyway, and explicitly set 
> them to the bkl locked llseek.
> 
> There might be a hidden interaction though between the non-unlocked 
> variety of ioctls and default llseek though.


I fear that won't work because the bkl in default_llseek() does not
only synchronizes with others uses of the bkl in a driver, it also
synchronizes lseek() itself.

As an example offset change is not atomic. This is a long long, so
updating its value is not atomic in 32 bits archs.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-21 22:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-10 15:35 [patch 00/28] BKL removal queued patches Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:35 ` [patch 01/28] pm_qos: remove BKL Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 16:08   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-13 19:12   ` mgross
2009-10-13 19:21     ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-10-13 19:50       ` mgross
2009-10-14 15:44   ` [tip:bkl/core] " tip-bot for Jonathan Corbet
2009-10-10 15:35 ` [patch 02/28] pm_qos: clean up racy global "name" variable Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 19:54   ` John Kacur
2009-10-10 20:03     ` Jonathan Corbet
2009-10-10 20:09       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-10 20:58       ` John Kacur
2009-10-14 15:44   ` [tip:bkl/core] " tip-bot for Jonathan Corbet
2009-10-10 15:35 ` [patch 03/28] net: Remove BKL from tun Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14  8:19   ` David Miller
2009-10-10 15:35 ` [patch 04/28] x86: Remove BKL from microcode Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:14   ` [tip:x86/cleanups] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:35 ` [patch 05/28] drivers: Remove BKL from drivers/char/misc.c Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-11 19:24   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 15:47   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] drivers: Remove BKL from misc_open tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:55     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 16:07       ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 16:12     ` Alan Cox
2009-10-14 16:16       ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 16:54         ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 17:12           ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 19:38             ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-17 17:09               ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-14 18:12         ` Alan Cox
2009-10-14 19:34           ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 17:58       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-10 15:35 ` [patch 06/28] drivers: Remove BKL from cs5535_gpio Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:47   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:35 ` [patch 07/28] spi: Remove BKL from spidev_open Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:48   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:35 ` [patch 08/28] x86: Remove BKL from apm_32 Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:15   ` [tip:x86/cleanups] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 09/28] sys: Remove BKL from sys_reboot Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:44   ` [tip:bkl/core] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 10/28] mem_class: Drop the bkl from memory_open() Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 11/28] nvram: Drop the bkl from nvram_llseek() Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-11 19:31   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-11 21:08     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-11 21:40       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-11 21:50         ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-11 22:14           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-13 12:40             ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 21:43               ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-11 22:12     ` [PATCH] generic_nvram: Turn nvram_ioctl into an unlocked ioctl Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-11 22:25       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-11 22:39         ` [PATCH v2] " Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-11 22:40         ` [PATCH] " Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-12  8:45           ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 12/28] nvram: Drop the bkl from non-generic nvram_llseek() Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 13/28] s390: Remove BKL from prng Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-13 12:36   ` Jan Glauber
2009-10-14 15:45   ` [tip:bkl/arch] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 14/28] um: Remove BKL from random Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:45   ` [tip:bkl/arch] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 15/28] um: Remove BKL from mmapper Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:45   ` [tip:bkl/arch] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 16/28] sparc: Remove BKL from apc Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-03  5:27   ` David Miller
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 17/28] watchdog: Fix probe function of riowd Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 18/28] watchdog: Remove BKL from rio watchdog driver Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-03  5:16   ` David Miller
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 19/28] hw_random: Remove BKL from core Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:49   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-21 20:51   ` [patch 19/28] " John Kacur
2009-10-10 15:36 ` [patch 20/28] input: Remove BKL from hp_sdc_rtc Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-11 19:47   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-11 19:54     ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:49   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:37 ` [patch 21/28] bkl: pushdown BKL locking to do_sysctl() Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-11  9:03   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-10-14 15:45   ` [tip:bkl/core] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:37 ` [patch 22/28] macintosh: Remove BKL from ans-lcd Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:37   ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 21:14   ` John Kacur
2009-10-10 21:14     ` John Kacur
2009-10-10 23:13     ` Alan Cox
2009-10-10 23:13       ` Alan Cox
2009-10-10 23:27       ` John Kacur
2009-10-10 23:27         ` John Kacur
2009-10-11  9:02   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-10-11  9:02     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-10-14 15:49   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-21 21:07   ` [PATCH] macintosh: Explicitly set llseek to no_llseek in ans-lcd John Kacur
2009-10-21 21:07     ` John Kacur
2009-10-21 21:21     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-21 21:21       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-21 21:33       ` John Kacur
2009-10-21 21:33         ` John Kacur
2009-10-21 21:45         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-21 21:45           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-10-21 21:53           ` John Kacur
2009-10-21 21:53             ` John Kacur
2009-10-21 22:16             ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2009-10-21 22:16               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-11-02 15:51               ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-02 15:51                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-16 10:54                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-11-16 10:54                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-11-16 12:09                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-16 12:09                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-10 15:37 ` [patch 23/28] i2c: Remove big kernel lock from i2cdev_open Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 17:04   ` Jean Delvare
2009-10-10 17:09     ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 17:39       ` Jean Delvare
2009-10-10 18:10         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 18:15           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-10-10 18:38             ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:37 ` [patch 24/28] rtc: Remove BKL from efirtc Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:50   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-21 21:13   ` Subject: [PATCH] rtc: Explicitly set llseek to no_llseek John Kacur
2009-11-03 23:48     ` Andrew Morton
2009-11-04  0:43       ` John Kacur
2009-10-10 15:37 ` [patch 25/28] parisc: Remove BKL from eisa_eeprom Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:50   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 17:35   ` [patch 25/28] " Kyle McMartin
2009-10-10 15:37 ` [patch 26/28] drivers: Remove BKL from pc8736x_gpio Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:50   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:37 ` [patch 27/28] drivers: Remove BKL from scx200_gpio Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:50   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 15:37 ` [patch 28/28] mips: Remove BKL from tb0219 Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-14 15:51   ` [tip:bkl/drivers] " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2009-10-10 18:38 ` [patch 00/28] BKL removal queued patches John Kacur
2009-10-14 15:59 ` [PATCH 1/2] compat_ioctl: remove VT specific ioctl handlers Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 16:00   ` [PATCH 2/2] compat_ioctl: do not hold BKL in handlers Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 16:10   ` [PATCH 1/2] compat_ioctl: remove VT specific ioctl handlers Greg KH

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