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From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Kevin O'Connor <kevin@koconnor.net>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loading overhaul.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:43:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091221174312.GD21163@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B2FAFB4.8050102@codemonkey.ws>

On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:26:12AM -0600, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 12/21/2009 10:43 AM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> >>There are some really ugly corner cases here.  For instance, guest
> >>is running and the user does a yum update which upgrades the qemu
> >>package.  This includes laying down a new bios.
> >>
> >>User eventually restarts guest, now we re-read BIOS and we're on a
> >>newer BIOS than the device model.  Badness ensues.
> >>
> >My package manager warns me that certain application need to be
> >restarted to work correctly after upgrade. This is hardly qemu specific
> >problem.
> 
> But again, I don't see when this is ever a feature that a user
> actually wants.  Unless you change restart to fork/exec+exit, you'll
> never have reset equivalent to power off + startup.  Can you
> advocate rereading roms and not advocate re-execing qemu?
Why I will never have reset equivalent to power off + startup? Are you
saying we are not capable of implementing spec correctly?

> >>And more importantly, what is the end-user benefit of doing this?
> >>
> >Working migration?
> 
> How does it fix migration? Migration needs to transfer the current
> roms in order to work.  A new version of qemu must support
> interacting with the old version of the firmware for migration to
> work.  What happens after reset has nothing to do with migration but
> because of the last requirement, the guest will obviously continue
> to work after reboot too.
I don't agree with your last requirement. Firmware goes hand in hand with
HW. Change that is only FW visible should not be backwards compatible.

--
			Gleb.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-21 17:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-18 11:01 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loading overhaul Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/8] Support PCI based option rom loading Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-19 10:57   ` Blue Swirl
2009-12-20 15:34     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 17:02       ` Blue Swirl
2009-12-20 17:18         ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-20 17:55           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 18:01             ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-20 18:24               ` Andreas Färber
2009-12-20 18:53                 ` Blue Swirl
2009-12-20 21:24                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-12-20 21:23               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/8] pci romfiles: add property, add default to PCIDeviceInfo Gerd Hoffmann
2010-01-11 21:18   ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC] New naming rules for GPXE romfiles Stefan Weil
2010-01-11 21:34     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-12 10:23     ` Kevin Wolf
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/8] fw_cfg: make calls typesafe Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/8] fw_cfg: add API for file transfer Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-19 12:06   ` Blue Swirl
2009-12-20  8:42   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] " Gleb Natapov
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/8] roms: use new fw_cfg file xfer support Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-20  8:45   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] " Gleb Natapov
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/8] roms: remove option rom packing logic Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 7/8] updated seabios binary for testing convinience Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 11:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 8/8] debug: enable bios messages Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 14:35 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loading overhaul Anthony Liguori
2009-12-18 16:34   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 16:42     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-18 17:03       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 17:12         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-19  1:48           ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-19  3:07             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-18 17:14         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-18 18:04           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-18 19:41         ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-18 19:53           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-18 20:10             ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-20  8:38 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 14:43   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 14:52     ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 14:58       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:07         ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 15:11           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:20             ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 15:31               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:35                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 13:04               ` Paul Brook
2009-12-22 13:09                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 15:11                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-22 15:54                   ` Paul Brook
2009-12-22 16:16                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:23             ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 15:28               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:33                 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 15:39                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:52                     ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 16:08                       ` Blue Swirl
2009-12-20 16:15                         ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 16:23                           ` Blue Swirl
2009-12-20 17:48                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21  1:59                         ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-21  7:32                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 16:40                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 16:43                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 17:26                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 17:43                                   ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2009-12-21 18:24                                     ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loadingoverhaul Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-21 18:36                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 19:28                                         ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-21 19:57                                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 19:17                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 19:39                                         ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-21 19:53                                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 20:16                                             ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-22  7:58                                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-22 14:57                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 19:48                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 19:13                                     ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loading overhaul Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 19:43                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 23:54                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-22 20:50                                           ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loadingoverhaul Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-21  7:40                         ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loading overhaul Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 17:27                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-12  4:48                   ` Jamie Lokier

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