From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
To: Michael Stone <michael@laptop.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
"Andi Kleen" <andi@firstfloor.org>, "David Lang" <david@lang.hm>,
"Oliver Hartkopp" <socketcan@hartkopp.net>,
"Alan Cox" <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
"Herbert Xu" <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
"Valdis Kletnieks" <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>,
"Bryan Donlan" <bdonlan@gmail.com>,
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"C. Scott Ananian" <cscott@cscott.net>,
"James Morris" <jmorris@namei.org>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
"Bernie Innocenti" <bernie@codewiz.org>,
"Mark Seaborn" <mrs@mythic-beasts.com>,
"Randy Dunlap" <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>,
"Américo Wang" <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>,
"Tetsuo Handa" <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
"Samir Bellabes" <sam@synack.fr>,
"Casey Schaufler" <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
"Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>,
"Al Viro" <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:56:53 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091229055653.GB23714@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091229050114.GC14362@heat>
Quoting Michael Stone (michael@laptop.org):
> Serge,
>
> I think that Pavel's point, at its strongest and most general, could be
> rephrased as:
>
> "Adding *any* interesting isolation facility to the kernel breaks backwards
> compatibility for *some* program [in a way that violates security goals]."
>
> The reason is the one that I identified in my previous note:
>
> "The purpose of isolation facilities is to create membranes inside which
> grievous security faults are converted into availability faults."
>
> The question then is simply:
>
> "How do we want to deal with the compatibility-breaking changes created by
> introducing new isolation facilities?"
>
> So far, I've seen the following suggestions:
>
> a) setuid restores pre-isolation semantics
>
> - Doesn't work for me because it violates the security guarantee of the
> isolation primitive
>
> b) setuid is an escape-hatch
>
> - Probably the cleanest in the long-run
>
> - Doesn't, by itself, suffice for Pavel since it violates backwards
> compatibility
>
> c) signal to the kernel through a privileged mechanism that
> backwards-incompatible isolation may or may not be used
>
> - No problems seen so far.
>
> I would be happy with (c), assuming we can agree on an appropriate signalling
> mechanism and default.
>
> So far, two defaults have been proposed:
>
> default-deny incompatible isolation (Pavel)
> default-permit incompatible isolation (Michael)
>
> So far, several signalling mechanisms have been proposed:
>
> 1) enabling a kernel config option implies default-permit
>
> - My favorite; apparently insufficient for Pavel?
default under what conditions? any setuid? setuid-root?
> 2) default-deny; disablesuid grants disablenetwork
>
> - "disablesuid" is my name for the idea of dropping the privilege of
> exec'ing setuid binaries
>
> - Suggested by Pavel and supported by several others.
>
> - I think it has the same backwards-compatibility problem as
> disablenetwork: disablesuid is an isolation primitive.
>
> 3) default-deny; dropping a capability from the bounding set grants "permit"
>
> - Suggested by Serge; seems nicely fine-grained but rather indirect
Actually I think it's the opposite of what you said here: so long as the
capability is in pE, you can regain network. So it would require a privileged
process early on (like init or login) to remove the capability from the
bounding set (bc doing so requires CAP_SETPCAP), but once that was done,
the resulting process and it's children could not require the capability,
and, without the capability, could not regain network. Point being that
privileged userspace had to actively allow userspace to trap a setuid root
binary without networking.
I think during exec we can simply check for this capability in pE, and
if present then re-enable network if turned off. Then setuid-root binaries
will raise that bit (if it's in the bounding set) automatically. Now,
that means setuid-nonroot binaries will not reset network. Though you
could make that happen by doing setcap cap_net_allownet+pe /the/file.
Does that suffice?
> 4) default-deny; setting a sysctl implies permit
>
> - Suggested by Serge; works fine for me
That still leaves the question of when we re-allow network. Any
setuid?
> 5) default-deny; setting a kernel boot argument implies permit
>
> - Suggested by Serge; I like the sysctl better.
>
> I am happiest with (1) and, if (1) isn't good enough, with (4).
>
> Pavel, what do you think of (4)?
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael
>
> P.S. - I'd be happy to know more about existing precedent on introducing
> compatibility-breaking changes if any comes to mind. (For example, how were the
> Linux-specific rlimits handled?)
>
> P.P.S. - On a completely unrelated note: imagine trying to use SELinux (or your
> favorite MAC framework) to restrict the use of prctl(PR_SET_NETWORK,
> PR_NETWORK_OFF). Am I right that sys_prctl() contains a
> time-of-check-to-time-of-use (TOCTTOU) race (with security_task_prctl() as the
> check and with prctl_set_network() as the use) as a result of the actual
> argument being passed by address rather than by value?
I'm probably misunderstanding your question, but just in case I'm not: the
answer is that you wouldn't use the prctl interface anyway. You would strictly
use domain transitions. Instead of doing prctl(PR_SET_NETWORK, PR_NETWORK_OFF)
you would move yourself from the user_u:user_r:network_allowed domain to the
user_u:user_r:network_disallowed domain.
-serge
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-12-29 5:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 278+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-12-27 1:04 RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27 1:04 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 1:06 ` [PATCH 1/3] Security: Add disablenetwork interface. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27 1:06 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 3:26 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-28 18:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 1:21 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29 5:26 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 7:53 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-29 1:25 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29 1:25 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-30 10:09 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-30 18:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 1:06 ` [PATCH 2/3] Security: Implement disablenetwork semantics. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27 1:06 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 1:20 ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-30 18:50 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 14:31 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 21:11 ` James Morris
2010-01-10 21:16 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 21:44 ` James Morris
2010-01-10 21:54 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-10 21:54 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-10 21:58 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 21:58 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 22:40 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-10 22:40 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-11 1:07 ` Tetsuo Handa
2010-01-11 1:45 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-11 1:45 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-11 17:49 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-11 17:49 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-12 6:10 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-12 6:10 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-12 15:52 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-12 15:52 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-14 9:23 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-14 9:23 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-14 15:00 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-14 15:00 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-14 16:36 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-14 16:36 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-14 16:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-14 16:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20100114171309.GA6372@heat>
2010-01-14 17:36 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-14 17:36 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-15 8:10 ` disablenetwork (v5) patches Michael Stone
2010-01-15 8:10 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-15 8:12 ` disablenetwork (v5): Remove a TOCTTOU race by passing flags by value Michael Stone
2010-01-15 8:12 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-15 8:12 ` disablenetwork (v5): Simplify the disablenetwork sendmsg hook Michael Stone
2010-01-15 8:12 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-15 8:13 ` disablenetwork (v5): Require CAP_SETPCAP to enable disablenetwork Michael Stone
2010-01-15 8:13 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-17 2:58 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-17 2:58 ` Andrew G. Morgan
[not found] ` <20100117044825.GA2712@heat>
2010-01-17 4:58 ` disablenetwork (v5): Require CAP_SETPCAP to enable Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-17 4:58 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-18 19:30 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-18 19:30 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-15 8:13 ` disablenetwork (v5): Update documentation for PR_NETWORK_ENABLE_DN Michael Stone
2010-01-15 8:13 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-17 6:01 ` disablenetwork (v5) patches Kyle Moffett
2010-01-17 6:01 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-17 6:01 ` Kyle Moffett
[not found] ` <20100117180728.GA2848@heat>
2010-01-17 21:17 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-17 21:17 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-12 18:30 ` [PATCH 2/3] Security: Implement disablenetwork semantics. (v4) David Wagner
2010-01-13 20:23 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-11 1:46 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-12 3:19 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-12 4:01 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-11 12:01 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-11 1:29 ` David Wagner
2010-01-11 13:39 ` Simon Horman
2010-01-12 2:54 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-12 7:59 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-12 14:28 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-14 9:22 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-14 14:30 ` David Wagner
2010-01-18 12:54 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-18 15:56 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-18 15:56 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-10 22:18 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-10 22:18 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-10 23:08 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-10 23:08 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-10 23:41 ` Bryan Donlan
2010-01-10 23:41 ` Bryan Donlan
2010-01-11 1:50 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-11 1:50 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-11 2:15 ` Bryan Donlan
2010-01-11 2:15 ` Bryan Donlan
2010-01-11 11:53 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-11 11:53 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-11 1:41 ` David Wagner
2010-01-10 22:58 ` James Morris
2010-01-11 1:21 ` David Wagner
2009-12-27 1:07 ` [PATCH 3/3] Security: Document disablenetwork. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27 1:07 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 1:39 ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27 16:25 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 8:36 ` RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27 8:38 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27 11:49 ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27 12:18 ` Al Viro
2009-12-27 15:03 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 15:47 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 16:12 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 16:36 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 18:06 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27 19:08 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 6:07 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-28 6:07 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-28 10:10 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 14:37 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 20:55 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 21:28 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 21:33 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-28 21:33 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 6:08 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 15:06 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 16:31 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-28 16:31 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-28 21:08 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 21:24 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 22:10 ` David Wagner
2009-12-28 23:54 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-29 0:42 ` David Wagner
2009-12-29 1:39 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-01 15:55 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 18:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 5:01 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29 5:01 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29 5:56 ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2009-12-29 16:31 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29 16:31 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29 11:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 15:11 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 16:05 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 16:39 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 16:39 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 17:01 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 17:01 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 18:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 18:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 19:08 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 20:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 21:27 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 21:27 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 21:46 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-29 22:16 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 20:10 ` Benny Amorsen
2009-12-29 20:10 ` Benny Amorsen
2009-12-29 20:40 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 20:40 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 20:43 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 20:43 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 21:11 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-29 21:11 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-29 21:14 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 21:14 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 21:35 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-29 21:35 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-29 21:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 21:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 22:36 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 22:36 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 3:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 3:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 3:50 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 3:50 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 4:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 4:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 18:00 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 18:00 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 21:12 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 21:12 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 3:35 ` [RFC][PATCH] Unprivileged: Disable acquisition of privileges Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 3:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 3:54 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-30 3:54 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-30 4:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 4:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 4:57 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-30 4:57 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-30 12:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 12:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 12:49 ` [RFC][PATCH v2] Unprivileged: Disable raising " Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 12:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 14:52 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2009-12-30 14:52 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2009-12-30 18:35 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 18:35 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 20:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 20:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 20:17 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 20:17 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 21:15 ` [RFC][PATCH v3] " Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 21:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 21:29 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-30 21:29 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-30 21:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 21:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 23:00 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-30 23:00 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31 2:44 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-31 2:44 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-31 17:33 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31 17:33 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31 17:52 ` David Wagner
2009-12-31 17:52 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-31 17:52 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-31 18:20 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2009-12-31 18:20 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2009-12-31 18:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-31 18:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-01 14:43 ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01 14:43 ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01 14:53 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-01 14:53 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-01 16:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-01 16:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-01 21:35 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-01 21:35 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-01 22:39 ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01 22:39 ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01 23:18 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-01 23:18 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-02 0:42 ` Peter Dolding
2010-01-02 0:42 ` Peter Dolding
[not found] ` <4B3FB0FC.3030809@schaufler-ca.com>
2010-01-03 1:43 ` Peter Dolding
2010-01-03 1:43 ` Peter Dolding
2009-12-31 18:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-31 18:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-31 21:46 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-31 21:46 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 21:17 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-01 21:17 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-01 14:57 ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01 14:57 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31 8:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-31 8:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-31 13:00 ` Samir Bellabes
2009-12-31 13:00 ` Samir Bellabes
2009-12-31 14:08 ` Peter Dolding
2009-12-31 14:08 ` Peter Dolding
2009-12-31 17:06 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31 17:06 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31 17:55 ` David Wagner
2010-01-01 14:46 ` Alan Cox
2010-01-02 6:23 ` David Wagner
2010-01-02 13:55 ` Alan Cox
2010-01-04 0:55 ` David Wagner
2010-01-01 0:12 ` Peter Dolding
2010-01-01 0:12 ` Peter Dolding
2010-01-01 10:28 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-01 10:28 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-31 15:25 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-31 15:25 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-31 16:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-31 16:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 18:29 ` [RFC][PATCH v2] " Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 18:29 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 20:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 20:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 18:03 ` RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 16:06 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29 16:06 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-30 7:24 ` David Wagner
2009-12-30 16:26 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-01 11:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-02 6:28 ` David Wagner
2010-01-01 15:11 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27 8:51 ` Al Viro
2009-12-27 11:23 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-27 12:45 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-27 15:55 ` Michael Stone
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