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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"minchan.kim@gmail.com" <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	"hugh.dickins" <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/8] mm: handle_speculative_fault()
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 07:55:17 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100109075517.4ec65b7e@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1001080946390.23727@router.home>

On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:51:49 -0600 (CST)
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Jan 2010, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> 
> > if an app has to change because our kernel sucks (for no good
> > reason), "change the app" really is the lame type of answer.
> 
> We are changing apps all of the time here to reduce the number of
> system calls. 

it's fine to fix an app for something fundamental.
it sucks to need to fix an app because we decided to clear a page
inside a lock rather than outside it.


-- 
Arjan van de Ven 	Intel Open Source Technology Centre
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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"minchan.kim@gmail.com" <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	"hugh.dickins" <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 6/8] mm: handle_speculative_fault()
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 07:55:17 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100109075517.4ec65b7e@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1001080946390.23727@router.home>

On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:51:49 -0600 (CST)
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Jan 2010, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> 
> > if an app has to change because our kernel sucks (for no good
> > reason), "change the app" really is the lame type of answer.
> 
> We are changing apps all of the time here to reduce the number of
> system calls. 

it's fine to fix an app for something fundamental.
it sucks to need to fix an app because we decided to clear a page
inside a lock rather than outside it.


-- 
Arjan van de Ven 	Intel Open Source Technology Centre
For development, discussion and tips for power savings, 
visit http://www.lesswatts.org

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-09 15:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 239+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-04 18:24 [RFC][PATCH 0/8] Speculative pagefault -v3 Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/8] mm: Remove pte reference from fault path Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/8] mm: Speculative pagefault infrastructure Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/8] mm: Add vma sequence count Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/8] mm: RCU free vmas Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05  2:43   ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-05  2:43     ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-05  8:28     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05  8:28       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 16:05       ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-05 16:05         ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-04 18:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] mm: Speculative pte_map_lock() Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/8] mm: handle_speculative_fault() Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05  0:25   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05  0:25     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05  3:13     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05  3:13       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05  8:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05  8:17         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05  8:57       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05  8:57         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 15:34         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 15:34           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 15:40           ` Al Viro
2010-01-05 15:40             ` Al Viro
2010-01-05 16:10             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 16:10               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-06 15:41               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-06 15:41                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05  9:37       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05  9:37         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 23:35         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 23:35           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05  4:29     ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-05  4:29       ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-05  4:43       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05  4:43         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05  5:10         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05  5:10           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05  5:30           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05  5:30             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05  7:39             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05 15:26               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 15:26                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 16:14                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 16:14                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 17:25                   ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-05 17:25                     ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-05 17:47                     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 17:47                       ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 18:00                       ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-05 18:00                         ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-05 17:55                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 17:55                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 18:13                       ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 18:13                         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 18:25                         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 18:25                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 18:46                           ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 18:46                             ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 18:56                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 18:56                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 19:15                               ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 19:15                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 19:28                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 19:28                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 18:55                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-05 18:55                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-05 19:08                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 19:08                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 19:23                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-05 19:23                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-05 20:29                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 20:29                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 20:46                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 20:46                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 21:00                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 21:00                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05 23:29                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-05 23:29                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-06  0:22                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-06  0:22                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-06  1:37                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-06  1:37                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-06  2:52                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-06  2:52                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-06  3:27                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-06  3:27                         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-06  3:56                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-06  3:56                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-06  4:20                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-06  4:20                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-06  7:06                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-06  7:49                               ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-06  7:49                                 ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-06  9:39                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-06  9:39                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07  1:00                                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-07  1:00                                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-08 16:53                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-08 16:53                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-08 17:22                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 17:22                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 17:43                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08 17:43                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08 17:52                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 17:52                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 18:33                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08 18:33                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08 18:46                                   ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-08 18:46                                     ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-08 18:56                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08 18:56                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08 19:10                                       ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-08 19:10                                         ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-08 19:11                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 19:11                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 19:28                                         ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-08 19:28                                           ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-08 19:39                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 19:39                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 19:42                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 19:42                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 21:36                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 21:36                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 21:46                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08 21:46                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08 22:43                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 22:43                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 22:43                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-09 14:47                               ` Ed Tomlinson
2010-01-09 14:47                                 ` Ed Tomlinson
2010-01-10  5:27                                 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-01-10  5:27                                   ` Nitin Gupta
2010-01-05 15:14             ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 15:14               ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05  8:18           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05  8:18             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05  6:00         ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-05  6:00           ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-05  4:48       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05  4:48         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-05  6:09         ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-05  6:09           ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-05  6:09           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05  6:09             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05  6:24             ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-05  6:24               ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-05  8:35           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05  8:35             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-05 13:45   ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-05 13:45     ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-05 14:15     ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-05 14:15       ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-05 15:17     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05 15:17       ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-06  3:22       ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-06  3:22         ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-07 16:11         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-07 16:11           ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-07 16:19           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 16:19             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 16:31             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 16:31               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 16:34             ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 16:34               ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 16:36             ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-07 16:36               ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08  4:49               ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-08  4:49                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-08  5:00                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08  5:00                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08 15:51                 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-08 15:51                   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-09 15:55                   ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2010-01-09 15:55                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-07 17:22             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 17:22               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 17:36               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 17:36                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 17:49                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 17:49                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 18:00                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 18:00                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 18:15                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 18:15                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 21:49                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 21:49                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 18:44                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 18:44                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 19:20                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 19:20                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 20:06                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 20:06                         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 20:25                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 20:25                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 19:24                     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-07 19:24                       ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-07 20:08                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 20:08                         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 20:13                         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 20:13                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 21:44                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 21:44                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 22:33                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 22:33                         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08  0:23                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-08  0:23                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-08  0:25                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-08  0:25                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-08  0:39                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08  0:39                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08  0:41                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-08  0:41                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-07 23:51                 ` Rik van Riel
2010-01-07 23:51                   ` Rik van Riel
2010-01-04 18:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/8] mm,x86: speculative pagefault support Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/8] mm: Optimize pte_map_lock() Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 18:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 21:41 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] Speculative pagefault -v3 Rik van Riel
2010-01-04 21:41   ` Rik van Riel
2010-01-04 21:46   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 21:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-04 23:20     ` Rik van Riel
2010-01-04 23:20       ` Rik van Riel
2010-01-04 21:59   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-04 21:59     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-05  0:28     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05  0:28       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-05  2:26 ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-05  2:26   ` Minchan Kim

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