From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, josh@joshtriplett.org,
tglx@linutronix.de, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, dhowells@redhat.com,
laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory barrier
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:45:12 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100110174512.GH9044@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1263124209.28171.3798.camel@gandalf.stny.rr.com>
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 06:50:09AM -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-01-09 at 21:25 -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 09:12:58PM -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote:
>
> > > > < user space >
> > > >
> > > > < misses that CPU 2 is in rcu section >
> > >
> > >
> > > If the TLB flush misses that CPU 2 has a threaded task, and does not
> > > flush CPU 2s TLB, it can also risk the same type of crash.
> >
> > But isn't the VM's locking helping us out in that case?
> >
> > > > [CPU 2's ->curr update now visible]
> > > >
> > > > [CPU 2's rcu_read_lock() store now visible]
> > > >
> > > > free(obj);
> > > >
> > > > use_object(obj); <=== crash!
> > > >
> > >
> > > Think about it. If you change a process mmap, say you updated a mmap of
> > > a file by flushing out one page and replacing it with another. If the
> > > above missed sending to CPU 2, then CPU 2 may still be accessing the old
> > > page of the file, and not the new one.
> > >
> > > I think this may be the safe bet.
> >
> > You might well be correct that we can access that bitmap locklessly,
> > but there are additional things (like the loading of the arch-specific
> > page-table register) that are likely to be helping in the VM case, but
> > not necessarily helping in this case.
>
> Then perhaps the sys_membarrier() should just do a flush_tlb()? That
> should guarantee the synchronization, right?
Isn't just grabbing the runqueue locks a bit more straightforward and
more clearly correct? Again, this is the URCU slowpath, so it is hard
to get too excited about a 15% performance penalty.
Thanx, Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-01-10 17:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-01-07 4:40 [RFC PATCH] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory barrier Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-07 5:02 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 5:39 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-07 8:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 16:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 5:28 ` Josh Triplett
2010-01-07 6:04 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-07 6:32 ` Josh Triplett
2010-01-07 17:45 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-07 16:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 5:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-07 6:19 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-07 6:35 ` Josh Triplett
2010-01-07 8:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 13:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-07 15:07 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-07 16:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 17:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 17:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 17:44 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-07 17:55 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 17:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-07 17:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 18:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-07 18:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 17:36 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-07 14:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-07 15:10 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-07 16:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 17:00 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-07 8:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-07 18:30 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-07 18:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 18:59 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-07 19:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 19:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-07 20:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 21:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-07 22:34 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-08 22:28 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-08 23:53 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-09 0:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-09 1:02 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-09 1:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-09 1:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-09 2:38 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-09 5:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-09 19:20 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-09 23:05 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-09 23:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-10 0:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-10 0:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-10 1:14 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-10 1:44 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-10 2:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-10 5:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-10 11:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-10 16:03 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-10 16:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-10 17:10 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-10 21:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-10 21:41 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-11 1:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-10 17:45 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2010-01-10 18:24 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-11 1:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-11 4:25 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-11 4:29 ` [RFC PATCH] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory barrier (v3a) Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-11 17:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-11 17:35 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-11 17:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-11 20:52 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-11 21:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-11 22:04 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-11 22:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-11 22:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-11 22:48 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-11 21:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-11 21:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-11 4:30 ` [RFC PATCH] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory barrier (v3b) Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-11 22:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-12 15:38 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-12 16:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-12 16:38 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-12 16:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-12 18:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-12 18:56 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-13 0:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-11 16:25 ` [RFC PATCH] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory barrier Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-11 20:21 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-11 21:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-14 2:56 ` Lai Jiangshan
2010-01-14 5:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-14 5:39 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-10 5:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-10 1:12 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-10 5:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-10 1:04 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-10 1:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-09 23:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-10 1:11 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-07 9:50 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-07 15:12 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-07 16:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-01-07 11:04 ` David Howells
2010-01-07 15:15 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-07 15:47 ` David Howells
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