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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>
Cc: Dave Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>,
	dri-devel@lists.sf.net, Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: hung bootup with "drm/radeon/kms: move radeon KMS on/off switch out of staging."
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:47:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100205104752.GA29515@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <21d7e9971002050118h7ff48386v2c8fede0519b8975@mail.gmail.com>


* Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
> >
> > * Dave Airlie <airlied@linux.ie> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> > If it now does not boot up if all its sub-options are enabled, even of some
> >> > of those sub-options are new, does that count as a driver regression? Sure it
> >> > does to me ...
> >>
> >> But it doesn't to anyone else under any reasonable meaning of the word
> >> regression.
> >
> > There are reactions in this thread that contradict your 'anyone else' point.
> >
> >> The config option states
> >> "Choose this option if you want kernel modesetting enabled by default,
> >> ? ? ? ? ? and you have a new enough userspace to support this. Running old
> >> ? ? ? ? ? userspaces with this enabled will cause pain."
> >>
> >> Will cause pain sounds painful to me, I can make it seem much worse if
> >> you'd like.
> >
> > Except you are missing that the hang (and the first crash as well) happens on
> > brand-new user-space just as much - not just on 'old userspaces'.
> >
> > The bugs i've triggered are independent of any user-space component - it
> > happens with a fresh distro just as much.
> >
> > As i suggested before, at least the text should be updated to include what
> > has been written about CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS in this thread before:
> >
> > ?> This is a completely new driver. ?It's only part of the existing drm for
> > ?> compatibility reasons. ?It requires an entirely different graphics stack
> > ?> above it and works very differently from the old drm stack.
> >
> 
> Okay I've attached a patch with a revised Kconfig in it.
> 
> Does this sound more like reality?

Looks perfect to me!

Acked-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-05 10:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-01  2:20 [git pull] drm fixes Dave Airlie
2010-02-01  2:53 ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-02  8:17   ` [crash, PATCH] Revert "drm/radeon/kms: move radeon KMS on/off switch out of staging." Ingo Molnar
2010-02-02  8:25     ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-02 15:44       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-02 15:44       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 20:39         ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-04 20:46           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 20:46           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 21:14             ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-05  0:43               ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-05  0:43               ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-05  7:32                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-05  7:32                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 21:14             ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-04 20:39         ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-02  8:25     ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-02  8:35     ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-02  8:37       ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-02  8:37       ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-02 15:42         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-02 15:42         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-02 15:46       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-02 20:34         ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-02 20:34         ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-04  6:26           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04  6:26           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04  6:39             ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-04  6:39             ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-04  7:36               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04  7:36               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04  7:49                 ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-04  7:49                 ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-04  7:17             ` hung bootup with " Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04  7:17             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 16:48               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-04 16:48               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-04 17:08                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 17:15                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-04 17:36                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 17:36                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 17:15                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-04 17:36                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-04 17:36                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-04 17:54                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 17:54                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 17:59                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-04 17:59                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-04 18:12                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 18:15                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-04 18:15                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-04 18:56                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 18:56                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 19:00                               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-04 19:19                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 19:19                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 19:28                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2010-02-04 19:28                                     ` Jerome Glisse
2010-02-04 20:34                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 20:34                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 19:00                               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-04 18:30                           ` Alex Deucher
2010-02-04 18:30                           ` Alex Deucher
2010-02-04 19:06                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 19:06                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 19:18                               ` Alex Deucher
2010-02-04 19:24                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-04 19:24                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-04 19:34                                   ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-04 20:27                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 20:27                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 19:34                                   ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-04 19:32                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 19:32                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 19:53                                   ` Jesse Barnes
2010-02-04 20:22                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 20:22                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 20:27                                       ` david
2010-02-04 20:27                                       ` david
2010-02-04 20:33                                       ` Jesse Barnes
2010-02-04 20:57                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 20:57                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 20:33                                       ` Jesse Barnes
2010-02-04 20:48                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-04 20:48                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-04 21:05                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 21:09                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-04 21:09                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-02-05  7:56                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-05  8:34                                               ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-05  9:00                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-05  9:18                                                   ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-05 10:47                                                     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2010-02-05 10:47                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-05  9:18                                                   ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-05  9:00                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-05  8:34                                               ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-05  7:56                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 21:23                                           ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-04 21:23                                           ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-04 21:34                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2010-02-04 21:34                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2010-02-04 21:35                                             ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-04 21:35                                             ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-06 11:10                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2010-02-06 11:10                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2010-02-04 21:05                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 19:53                                   ` Jesse Barnes
2010-02-04 19:18                               ` Alex Deucher
2010-02-04 18:12                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-04 17:08                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-02 15:46       ` [crash, PATCH] Revert " Ingo Molnar
2010-02-02  8:35     ` Dave Airlie
2010-02-02  8:58     ` Domenico Andreoli
2010-02-02  8:58     ` Domenico Andreoli
2010-02-02 11:59       ` Jerome Glisse
2010-02-02 15:11         ` Domenico Andreoli
2010-02-02 15:11         ` Domenico Andreoli
2010-02-02 11:59       ` Jerome Glisse
2010-02-02 11:56     ` Jerome Glisse
2010-02-02 15:42       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-02 15:42       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-02 23:15         ` Jerome Glisse
2010-02-02 23:15         ` Jerome Glisse
2010-02-02 11:56     ` Jerome Glisse
2010-02-02  8:17   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-01  2:53 ` [git pull] drm fixes Dave Airlie

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