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From: Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>
To: James Courtier-Dutton <james.dutton@gmail.com>
Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org
Subject: Re: Verifying mixer dB data/Invalid dB data from USB	cards, especially Aureon 5.1 MkII
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:06:23 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100217130623.GD2032@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ad2655cb1002170355n7d2df930ha6cf036b6e00218@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:55:17AM +0000, James Courtier-Dutton wrote:
> On 16 February 2010 23:56, Lennart Poettering <mznyfn@0pointer.de> wrote:
> >
> > The reason I was asking how Jaroslav chose the 0dB position for his
> > measurements was purely because I wanted to do my own measurements for
> > that Aureon card. The dbmeasure tool I wrote for stuff like that puts
> > 0dB at max amplification, however Jaroslav didn't, so I was wondering
> > how he chose 0dB then.
> >
> > Lennart
> >
> 
> I think the digital side is clear. So I will not go into that.
> 
> I think we need to separate the analogue side into a number of categories:
> 1) Standard consumer line-out levels.
> 2) Standard pro line-out levels.
> 3) Consumer line-in levels.
> 4) Pro line-in levels.
> 5) Consumer mic levels.
> 6) Pro mic levels.
> 7) Consumer speaker levels.
> 8) Pro speaker levels.

There's also headphones there, though for both speakers and headphones
it's questionable if we want to do anything.

> On the analogue side, I believe the 0dB gain point is intended to be
> the point at which one can be fairly sure that the distortion will be
> low for a sensible full scale input.

Generally 0dB is pass through (which does also tend to be the optimal
performance point).  Actual expected gain levels will vary depending on
application - for example, a microphone input will usually need an
amplifier with fairly high gain in the path to get the signal to a level
usable by the rest of the system.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-17 13:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-15 19:24 Verifying mixer dB data/Invalid dB data from USB cards, especially Aureon 5.1 MkII Lennart Poettering
2010-02-16  8:08 ` Clemens Ladisch
2010-02-16  8:24   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2010-02-16 14:32     ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-16 14:40       ` Mark Brown
2010-02-16 15:40         ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-16 15:49           ` Mark Brown
2010-02-16 16:29           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2010-02-16 21:07             ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-16 22:39               ` Mark Brown
2010-02-16 22:42                 ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-16 23:38                   ` Mark Brown
2010-02-16 23:56                     ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-17 11:17                       ` Mark Brown
2010-02-17 13:01                         ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-17 13:15                           ` Mads Kiilerich
2010-02-17 11:55                       ` James Courtier-Dutton
2010-02-17 13:06                         ` Mark Brown [this message]
2010-03-20  7:58                         ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-18  1:48                       ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-18  2:37                         ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-18  6:15                           ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-18 10:11                             ` James Courtier-Dutton
2010-02-18 18:13                             ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-19  8:17                               ` Jaroslav Kysela
2010-02-19  9:40                                 ` Mark Brown
2010-02-19 10:57                                 ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-19 15:13                                   ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-21  3:49                                     ` Raymond Yau
     [not found]                                       ` <20100221193933.GA31800@tango.0pointer.de>
2010-02-23  4:47                                         ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-23 22:20                                           ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-24  1:52                                             ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-28  7:32                                             ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-23  5:12                                         ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-23  8:43                                         ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-21  4:01                                     ` Raymond Yau
     [not found]                                       ` <20100221192951.GD30380@tango.0pointer.de>
2010-02-23 10:08                                         ` Clemens Ladisch
2010-02-23 12:46                                           ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-23 22:32                                           ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-24  0:57                                             ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-24  9:00                                             ` Clemens Ladisch
2010-02-24 11:49                                               ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-24 12:07                                               ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-24  1:12                                           ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-24  3:49                                           ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-20  8:38                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2010-02-25  3:34                                     ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-19 11:47                                 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2010-02-19 15:10                                   ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-20  8:41                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2010-02-24  7:30                                     ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-25 13:14                               ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-25  3:51                           ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-26  3:17                       ` Raymond Yau
2010-03-01  4:21                       ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-16 23:47                   ` Eliot Blennerhassett
2010-02-17  0:10                     ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-17  0:43                       ` Mark Brown
2010-02-17  0:52                       ` Eliot Blennerhassett
2010-02-17 11:50                         ` Mark Brown
2010-02-17  9:04                       ` Jaroslav Kysela
2010-02-17 12:06                         ` Mark Brown
2010-02-17 13:15                           ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-17 13:32                             ` Mark Brown
2010-02-17 13:06                         ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-17 13:55                           ` James Courtier-Dutton
2010-02-17 14:12                             ` Mark Brown
2010-02-17 14:35                             ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-17 16:17                               ` James Courtier-Dutton
2010-02-26  9:38                             ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-17  7:37                     ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-18  2:11                     ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-26  0:45               ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-20  7:24             ` Raymond Yau
2010-03-26  4:26             ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-16 21:48           ` James Courtier-Dutton
2010-02-17  8:08             ` Jaroslav Kysela
2010-06-14  3:30         ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-16 16:09       ` Jaroslav Kysela
2010-02-16 14:26   ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-17  3:30     ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-17 15:19       ` Lennart Poettering
2010-03-08  9:06         ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-16  8:32 ` Jaroslav Kysela
2010-02-16 10:36   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2010-02-17  3:44 ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-17 12:54   ` Lennart Poettering
2010-02-26  5:18 ` Raymond Yau
2010-02-27  1:07 ` Raymond Yau
2010-03-01  0:51 ` Raymond Yau
2010-06-24 22:51 ` Raymond Yau

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