Container for Amazon EC2?

Container for Amazon EC2?

[Jun OKAJIMA]

Somebody know any Amazon EC2 Image which
supports any container technology?
Vserver/LXC/OpenVZ... Any technology is Okay,
I want to use pre-created image for EC2.

I found many images for Ubuntu 9.10,
but it lacks some support for LXC.
Fedora12 supports all functions of LXC,
but did not find any image.

      --- Okajima, Jun. Tokyo, Japan.

Re: Container for Amazon EC2?

[Serge E. Hallyn]

It's been a little while (probably a year) since I played with
EC2, but generally the problem is that you don't have much of
a choice for underlying kernels.  So you can't pick vserver/openvz
kernels, and the available kernels are too old to have containers
features.  As kernels get updated, whether you can use lxc or not
will only depend on whether CONFIG_{containers} features are compiled
in.

It couldn't hurt to write the amazon folks and ask about it...

-serge

Quoting Jun OKAJIMA (okajima-og82NyAXoxRpnGNL948N7c8NsWr+9BEh@public.gmane.org):
> Somebody know any Amazon EC2 Image which
> supports any container technology?
> Vserver/LXC/OpenVZ... Any technology is Okay,
> I want to use pre-created image for EC2.
> 
> I found many images for Ubuntu 9.10,
> but it lacks some support for LXC.
> Fedora12 supports all functions of LXC,
> but did not find any image.
> 
>       --- Okajima, Jun. Tokyo, Japan.
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Re: Container for Amazon EC2?

[Serge E. Hallyn]

So I tried running one of the public ubuntu karmic images in
ec2 (ami-bb709dd2).  I could sudo apt-get install lxc.  The
default kernel (aki-5f15f636) didn't support namespaces.  Now
you can specify kernels at boot, but I'm not sure if there is
an easy way to find kernels with specific CONFIG_ options.
I'll let you know if I find one with all namespaces and
veth+bridge+macvlan enabled, bc that would then give you
everything you'd need.

-serge

Quoting Serge E. Hallyn (serue-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org):
> It's been a little while (probably a year) since I played with
> EC2, but generally the problem is that you don't have much of
> a choice for underlying kernels.  So you can't pick vserver/openvz
> kernels, and the available kernels are too old to have containers
> features.  As kernels get updated, whether you can use lxc or not
> will only depend on whether CONFIG_{containers} features are compiled
> in.
> 
> It couldn't hurt to write the amazon folks and ask about it...
> 
> -serge
> 
> Quoting Jun OKAJIMA (okajima-og82NyAXoxRpnGNL948N7c8NsWr+9BEh@public.gmane.org):
> > Somebody know any Amazon EC2 Image which
> > supports any container technology?
> > Vserver/LXC/OpenVZ... Any technology is Okay,
> > I want to use pre-created image for EC2.
> > 
> > I found many images for Ubuntu 9.10,
> > but it lacks some support for LXC.
> > Fedora12 supports all functions of LXC,
> > but did not find any image.
> > 
> >       --- Okajima, Jun. Tokyo, Japan.
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Re: Container for Amazon EC2?

[Jun OKAJIMA]

This is my result.
I dont know very well about lxc,
but this is usable?

       --- Okajima, Jun. Tokyo, Japan.


ubuntu@domU-12-31-39-06-28-B2:~$ lxc-checkconfig
Kernel config /proc/config.gz not found, looking in other places...
Found kernel config file /boot/config-2.6.31-302-ec2
--- Namespaces ---
Namespaces: enabled
Utsname namespace: enabled
Ipc namespace: enabled
Pid namespace: disabled
User namespace: disabled
Network namespace: disabled
Multiple /dev/pts instances: disabled

--- Control groups ---
Cgroup: enabled
Cgroup namespace: enabled
Cgroup device: disabled
Cgroup sched: enabled
Cgroup cpu account: enabled
Cgroup memory controller: enabled
Cgroup cpuset: enabled



--- Misc ---
Veth pair device: enabled
Macvlan: enabled
File capabilities: enabled
ubuntu@domU-12-31-39-06-28-B2:~$ uname -a
Linux domU-12-31-39-06-28-B2 2.6.31-302-ec2 #7-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 13
19:55:22 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
ubuntu@domU-12-31-39-06-28-B2:~$

2010/2/18 Serge E. Hallyn <serue-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>:
> So I tried running one of the public ubuntu karmic images in
> ec2 (ami-bb709dd2).  I could sudo apt-get install lxc.  The
> default kernel (aki-5f15f636) didn't support namespaces.  Now
> you can specify kernels at boot, but I'm not sure if there is
> an easy way to find kernels with specific CONFIG_ options.
> I'll let you know if I find one with all namespaces and
> veth+bridge+macvlan enabled, bc that would then give you
> everything you'd need.
>
> -serge
>
> Quoting Serge E. Hallyn (serue-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org):
>> It's been a little while (probably a year) since I played with
>> EC2, but generally the problem is that you don't have much of
>> a choice for underlying kernels.  So you can't pick vserver/openvz
>> kernels, and the available kernels are too old to have containers
>> features.  As kernels get updated, whether you can use lxc or not
>> will only depend on whether CONFIG_{containers} features are compiled
>> in.
>>
>> It couldn't hurt to write the amazon folks and ask about it...
>>
>> -serge
>>
>> Quoting Jun OKAJIMA (okajima-og82NyAXoxRpnGNL948N7c8NsWr+9BEh@public.gmane.org):
>> > Somebody know any Amazon EC2 Image which
>> > supports any container technology?
>> > Vserver/LXC/OpenVZ... Any technology is Okay,
>> > I want to use pre-created image for EC2.
>> >
>> > I found many images for Ubuntu 9.10,
>> > but it lacks some support for LXC.
>> > Fedora12 supports all functions of LXC,
>> > but did not find any image.
>> >
>> >       --- Okajima, Jun. Tokyo, Japan.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Containers mailing list
>> > Containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org
>> > https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/containers
>> _______________________________________________
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>

Re: Container for Amazon EC2?

[Jun OKAJIMA]

My AMI/Kernel is this.

AMI ID: ami-7d43ae14
Kernel ID: aki-fd15f694

          --- Okajima, Jun. Tokyo, Japan.




2010/2/18 Jun OKAJIMA <okajima@digitalinfra.co.jp>:
> This is my result.
> I dont know very well about lxc,
> but this is usable?
>
> ﾂꀀ ﾂꀀ ﾂꀀ --- Okajima, Jun. Tokyo, Japan.
>
>
> ubuntu@domU-12-31-39-06-28-B2:~$ lxc-checkconfig
> Kernel config /proc/config.gz not found, looking in other places...
> Found kernel config file /boot/config-2.6.31-302-ec2
> --- Namespaces ---
> Namespaces: enabled
> Utsname namespace: enabled
> Ipc namespace: enabled
> Pid namespace: disabled
> User namespace: disabled
> Network namespace: disabled
> Multiple /dev/pts instances: disabled
>
> --- Control groups ---
> Cgroup: enabled
> Cgroup namespace: enabled
> Cgroup device: disabled
> Cgroup sched: enabled
> Cgroup cpu account: enabled
> Cgroup memory controller: enabled
> Cgroup cpuset: enabled
>
>
>
> --- Misc ---
> Veth pair device: enabled
> Macvlan: enabled
> File capabilities: enabled
> ubuntu@domU-12-31-39-06-28-B2:~$ uname -a
> Linux domU-12-31-39-06-28-B2 2.6.31-302-ec2 #7-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 13
> 19:55:22 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> ubuntu@domU-12-31-39-06-28-B2:~$
>
> 2010/2/18 Serge E. Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com>:
>> So I tried running one of the public ubuntu karmic images in
>> ec2 (ami-bb709dd2). ﾂꀀI could sudo apt-get install lxc. ﾂꀀThe
>> default kernel (aki-5f15f636) didn't support namespaces. ﾂꀀNow
>> you can specify kernels at boot, but I'm not sure if there is
>> an easy way to find kernels with specific CONFIG_ options.
>> I'll let you know if I find one with all namespaces and
>> veth+bridge+macvlan enabled, bc that would then give you
>> everything you'd need.
>>
>> -serge
>>
>> Quoting Serge E. Hallyn (serue@us.ibm.com):
>>> It's been a little while (probably a year) since I played with
>>> EC2, but generally the problem is that you don't have much of
>>> a choice for underlying kernels. ﾂꀀSo you can't pick vserver/openvz
>>> kernels, and the available kernels are too old to have containers
>>> features. ﾂꀀAs kernels get updated, whether you can use lxc or not
>>> will only depend on whether CONFIG_{containers} features are compiled
>>> in.
>>>
>>> It couldn't hurt to write the amazon folks and ask about it...
>>>
>>> -serge
>>>
>>> Quoting Jun OKAJIMA (okajima@digitalinfra.co.jp):
>>> > Somebody know any Amazon EC2 Image which
>>> > supports any container technology?
>>> > Vserver/LXC/OpenVZ... Any technology is Okay,
>>> > I want to use pre-created image for EC2.
>>> >
>>> > I found many images for Ubuntu 9.10,
>>> > but it lacks some support for LXC.
>>> > Fedora12 supports all functions of LXC,
>>> > but did not find any image.
>>> >
>>> > ﾂꀀ ﾂꀀ ﾂꀀ --- Okajima, Jun. Tokyo, Japan.
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Containers mailing list
>>> > Containers@lists.linux-foundation.org
>>> > https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/containers
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Containers@lists.linux-foundation.org
>>> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/containers
>>
>
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Re: Container for Amazon EC2?

[Serge E. Hallyn]

Quoting Jun OKAJIMA (okajima-og82NyAXoxRpnGNL948N7c8NsWr+9BEh@public.gmane.org):
> My AMI/Kernel is this.
> 
> AMI ID: ami-7d43ae14
> Kernel ID: aki-fd15f694
> 
>           --- Okajima, Jun. Tokyo, Japan.

Oh I assume in your zone you have different ami's?  But the latest
lucid testing ami has a good kernel!  In US east zone my ami was
ami-071ff36e

Re: Container for Amazon EC2?

[Jun OKAJIMA]

My zone is this.
Zone: us-east-1d
I think this is US East, Virginia iDC.

      --- Okajima, Jun. Tokyo, Japan.

2010/2/18 Serge E. Hallyn <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>:
> Quoting Jun OKAJIMA (okajima-og82NyAXoxRpnGNL948N7c8NsWr+9BEh@public.gmane.org):
>> My AMI/Kernel is this.
>>
>> AMI ID: ami-7d43ae14
>> Kernel ID: aki-fd15f694
>>
>>           --- Okajima, Jun. Tokyo, Japan.
>
> Oh I assume in your zone you have different ami's?  But the latest
> lucid testing ami has a good kernel!  In US east zone my ami was
> ami-071ff36e
>

Re: Container for Amazon EC2?

[Serge E. Hallyn]

Quoting Jun OKAJIMA (okajima-og82NyAXoxRpnGNL948N7c8NsWr+9BEh@public.gmane.org):
> This is my result.
> I dont know very well about lxc,
> but this is usable?

I'm not sure which you mean as usable:  lxc is very usable, and
lets you run multiple application and system containers of various
distros.  The lxc-users-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org mailing list was
recently started to accomodate its growing user base.

The kernel on the ec2 instance, however, is not :)

It might be worth jumping onto #ubuntu-virt and asking whether
they have, or can publish, a kernel with, at the least:

CONFIG_CGROUP_DEVICE=y
CONFIG_CGROUP_FREEZER=y
CONFIG_NAMESPACES=y
CONFIG_UTS_NS=y
CONFIG_IPC_NS=y
CONFIG_USER_NS=y
CONFIG_PID_NS=y
CONFIG_NET_NS=y
CONFIG_VETH=y
CONFIG_MACVLAN=y
CONFIG_BRIDGE=y
CONFIG_DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES=y

Those should be sufficient to start using lxc very nicely

-serge