From: Arno Wagner <arno@wagner.name>
To: dm-crypt@saout.de
Subject: Re: [dm-crypt] avoid keyloggers: enter password with mouse (virtual keyboard)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 01:30:54 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100414233054.GC9776@tansi.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BC60CB2.8030902@gmail.com>
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 08:42:58PM +0200, Olivier Sessink wrote:
> Arno Wagner wrote:
>
> > Maybe tell us a bit more about your scenario?
>
> - the hardware is not under our control,
Ok, I see your problem.
> - the users are only slightly security aware
> - a bootable USB stick is provided to the users, which has everything
> encrypted (except for /boot for obvious reasons)
Ok, so basically open, but it takes a bit of effort to
get it open, namely to capture the passphrase.
> because the hardware is not under our control we won't get 100% security
> (I don't believe in 100% security anyway). So we try to avoid the most
> common threats (most of them cybercrime related). Software botnets,
> trojans etc. on the computer are defeated because we boot the hardware
> from our own image. I think most of our users are enough security aware
> that they should keep the USB stick secured (but I'm afraid not all of
> them, so modifications to /boot is an issue).
And a modified /boot will basically result in a broken system.
> But physical attacks like security camera's, keyloggers etc. are still
> possible. So we try to make them harder. I don't think our users are
> enough security aware to detect a hardware keylogger (they won't even
> notice that the usb plug is slightly larger than normal). That's why a
> virtual keyboard would make things harder.
Well, while I do not really think the virtual keyboard will help
to a larger degree, it may still raise security a bit.
In order to implement it, implement a virtual keyboard (e.g.
using TK with Perl/Python) and have it give the passphrase
to cryptsetup. Integrating a virtual keyboard into cryptsetup
is really not the UNIX way and very bad software design, as it
increases complexity significantly without need. The virtual
keyboard should be a separate tool.
What I do not see in the current cryptsetup though, is an
option to read the passphrase from stdin, file or named pipe.
That would be a reasonable extension IMO.
Arno
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-04-14 23:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-04-12 15:10 [dm-crypt] avoid keyloggers: enter password with mouse (virtual keyboard) Olivier Sessink
2010-04-12 17:15 ` Arno Wagner
2010-04-12 17:58 ` Heinz Diehl
2010-04-13 15:48 ` Arno Wagner
2010-04-13 19:38 ` Heinz Diehl
2010-04-13 19:55 ` Milan Broz
2010-04-14 13:11 ` Olivier Sessink
2010-04-14 15:30 ` Arno Wagner
2010-04-14 18:42 ` Olivier Sessink
2010-04-14 23:30 ` Arno Wagner [this message]
2010-04-14 23:54 ` Sven Eschenberg
2010-04-15 6:24 ` Milan Broz
2010-04-15 10:00 ` Arno Wagner
2010-04-15 7:50 ` test532
2010-04-15 10:04 ` Arno Wagner
2010-04-15 17:44 ` Richard Zidlicky
2010-04-15 18:04 ` [dm-crypt] avoid keyloggers: enter password with mouse(virtual keyboard) Vladimir Giszpenc
2011-10-04 15:02 ` [dm-crypt] avoid keyloggers: enter password with mouse (virtual keyboard) Jan
2011-10-04 18:28 ` [dm-crypt] avoid keyloggers: enter password with mouse?(virtual?keyboard) Arno Wagner
2011-10-04 21:42 ` Jan
2011-10-04 22:48 ` Arno Wagner
2011-10-05 9:37 ` Jan
2011-10-05 12:15 ` Arno Wagner
2011-10-05 18:18 ` Jan
2011-10-04 18:48 ` Heinz Diehl
2011-11-30 14:22 ` Ma Begaj
2011-11-30 14:28 ` Ma Begaj
2011-11-30 14:46 ` Arno Wagner
2011-11-30 15:11 ` Ma Begaj
2010-04-12 21:43 ` [dm-crypt] avoid keyloggers: enter password with mouse (virtual keyboard) Olivier Sessink
2010-04-12 17:51 ` Richard Zidlicky
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