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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@sophos.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"mingo@elte.hu" <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"davej@redhat.com" <davej@redhat.com>,
	"cpufreq@vger.kernel.org" <cpufreq@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/7] ondemand: Solve the big performance issue with ondemand during disk IO
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:26:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100423052601.GA1333@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100419174702.635ddad1@infradead.org>

On Mon 2010-04-19 17:47:02, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:29:39 +0100
> Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@sophos.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Monday 19 Apr 2010 14:46:17 Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> > > On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:09:55 +0100
> > > > Or in other words, does a pure IO workload benefit from now higher
> > > > selected frequency?
> > >
> > > no.
> > > Mixed workloads do.
> > > but pure IO workloads also don't suffer since while idle, the
> > > voltage goes down anyway.
> > 
> > You mean that higher frequency does not have effect on power use if
> > CPU is idle? Is that true for all/most processors?
> 
> this is true for most processors that I'm aware of.
> there's exceptions for things like where the idle time is really short,

Is not that exactly what will happen for 'cat /dev/<usb1>' case?

Plus I suspect that older cpus are slower at changing voltages, and
slower at powering down when idle...

> > How and where in the code and how to enable that behaviour? From my
> > experiments frequency goes down to minimum as soon as load goes away.
> > What I was talking about is gradual lowering over a configurable
> > period. It is not power efficient, but it could be good for latency
> > in some workloads.
> 
> it's not even good for that ;-(
> 
> it's better then to stay high longer... at least on modern machines the
> inbetween states are pretty much either useless or actually energy
> hurting compared to the higher state.

So what about hiding those from ondemand on modern hw?
								Pavel

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-04-23  5:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-18 18:59 [PATCH 0/7] Fix performance issue with ondemand governor Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-18 19:00 ` [PATCH 1/7] sched: add a comment to get_cpu_idle_time_us() Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-26 19:25   ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-18 19:01 ` [PATCH 2/7] sched: introduce a function to update the idle statistics Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-26 20:11   ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-18 19:01 ` [PATCH 3/7] sched: update the idle statistics in get_cpu_idle_time_us() Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-26 20:36   ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-18 19:02 ` [PATCH 4/7] sched: fold updating of the last update time into update_ts_time_stats() Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-26 20:58   ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-18 19:02 ` [PATCH 5/7] sched: eliminate the ts->idle_lastupdate field Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-26 21:00   ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-18 19:03 ` [PATCH 6/7] sched: introduce get_cpu_iowait_time_us() Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-26 21:05   ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-18 19:03 ` [PATCH 7/7] ondemand: Solve the big performance issue with ondemand during disk IO Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-19  8:29   ` Éric Piel
2010-04-19 13:43     ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-19 14:30       ` Éric Piel
2010-04-19 14:47         ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-20  9:24       ` Thomas Renninger
2010-04-27  0:29         ` Mike Chan
2010-04-27 13:01           ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-27 18:10             ` Mike Chan
2010-04-19  9:09   ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2010-04-19 13:46     ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-19 15:29       ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2010-04-20  0:47         ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-20  9:10           ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2010-04-20 11:02             ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-28  8:57               ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2010-04-23  5:26           ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2010-04-20  9:29   ` Thomas Renninger
2010-04-20 11:07     ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-23  5:24   ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-23  5:38     ` Willy Tarreau
2010-04-23  8:50       ` Thomas Renninger
2010-04-23 16:08         ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-27 11:39           ` Thomas Renninger
2010-05-04  3:48             ` [PATCH 8/7] cpufreq: make the iowait-is-busy-time a sysfs tunable Arjan van de Ven
2010-05-04  4:16               ` Willy Tarreau
2010-05-04  5:43               ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-04 13:51               ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-23 14:10       ` [PATCH 7/7] ondemand: Solve the big performance issue with ondemand during disk IO Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-23 15:35         ` Willy Tarreau
2010-04-23 13:52     ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-23  8:38       ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-23 16:06         ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-24  4:56       ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-01 23:29         ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-26 21:30   ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-26 21:41 ` [PATCH 0/7] Fix performance issue with ondemand governor Dave Jones
2010-04-26 21:45   ` Dominik Brodowski
2010-04-26 21:59     ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-26 22:05       ` Dominik Brodowski

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